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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back to truth seekers we're

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going to try this again for those who

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don't know i

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spent the weekend at the cabin and uh

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our guest tonight called me to verify

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that the interview was still on and i

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somehow thought he said tomorrow and

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this was of course on saturday so

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yesterday i went online very excited to

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uh you know conduct our interview and

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then uh

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realize that i was a day

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early

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but these things happen what can i tell

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you about tonight's guest for those that

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don't know he was actually the first uh

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the first person that i ever interviewed

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in the land of ufos conspiracies and

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bigfoot or whatever

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you might remember at first the very

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first episode of the midnight hour show

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was on one of my very favorite ufo cases

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and that would be the kecksburg ufo

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crash uh our guest tonight stan gordon

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had been heavily involved in the

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kecksburg ufo crash since it began

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um

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he has been involved in that ufo

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incident since he was a child and that

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perhaps might be

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what got him started down the rabbit

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hole of ufos bigfoot and paranormal

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events

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also for those unaware

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stan gordon uh now

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has a hotline in pennsylvania sort of

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famous in pennsylvania that if you have

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a paranormal event happen whether you

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see ufos shadow people demons uh you

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have a haunted house

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um have a bigfoot sighting a dog man

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sighting or some other strange cryptid

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creature

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lurking in your area you the the person

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to call is stan gordon and then like a

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lot of what i like to call

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right-click researchers stan gordon

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actually gets boots on the ground he

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goes and he interviews people he takes

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reports he collects evidence

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and this my friends is sort of a dying

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art in this world of the internet we're

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i'm often amazed myself at how much

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information that you can dig up just

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making phone calls but nobody seems to

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do it

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and unfortunately most people's idea of

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research today just involves google

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but you can't get the full story just on

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the internet and i'm a firm believer in

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doing real research boots on the ground

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whenever possible

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i'm trying to do more of that myself

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lately picking up the phone making phone

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calls doing document requests talking to

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uh the locals

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that were there when these events

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transpire and take place

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stan gordon has been doing this for

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decades and i feel like he is just a

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tremendous resource when it comes to

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information about the paranormal

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especially when it comes to what i think

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the two things that he's focused most on

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most of the time with most of the

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reports that he is receiving and that

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um we're doing this old school he's not

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very big on computers so we're gonna do

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an uh an interview right on the phone

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we're gonna see if we can't get him on

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the phone today hopefully he'll be uh

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hey mr gordon it's steve campion so

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no it's quite right we managed to have a

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fun show

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uh anyway

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these things happen with a live show and

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i can tell you what did happen is that

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i've been bouncing back and forth

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between this cabin in the poconos and my

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home in warminster pennsylvania and so

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all my calendars and all my stuff is in

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my office i misheard you and thought you

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said are you okay to do the interview

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tomorrow just assumed that i had to you

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know didn't even look on my calendar i

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just went live ready to interview you so

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i apologize i'm glad that you're here

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today

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i'm glad to be here as well yeah i was

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telling the audience that you're

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actually the first person that i ever

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interviewed and i mentioned yesterday

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that i i contacted so many people

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starting a new show

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nobody was was really uh very helpful

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but you were so i want to thank you and

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recognize you for that and uh where to

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even begin because i haven't talked to

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you in quite a long time

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you told me that the ufo reports are

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going nuts right now that you're getting

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is that the case

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uh well they've been active i can tell

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you in the last couple weeks we've had

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some very interesting reports coming in

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you know my hotline has been up since

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1969

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and i get calls all the time it never

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stops ringing reports come in here all

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year round every year

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all month of the year is amazing

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a lot of sightings come in and we can

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figure out what people see or there are

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many ufo sightings that turn out to be

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misidentification of natural man-made

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objects but every year we're receiving

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reports you cannot easily dismiss

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and over the years i investigated

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multitudes of

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very close-range low-level ufo cases

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that are not licensed in the sky but

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large structured objects

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these reports continue to go on you

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don't hear about them in the news

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because the witnesses don't want any

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publicity you know people from all walks

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of life call in men women children and

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and they just know any publicity so

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that's why you rarely hear about it in

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the news

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yeah but it's interesting that they feel

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okay to go to you and i mentioned that

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you have somewhat of a reputation in

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pennsylvania for being the paranormal

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guy like if people have a strange

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experience they call your hotline

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and if you're able to do it you often go

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and talk to these people in person right

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and you get try to collect evidence and

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get the story and

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and have record of that right

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well i've been doing this now over 62

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years believe it or not

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and in all the years i've been doing

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this it's hard to believe i've never

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seen a ufo or a bigfoot which has the

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hundreds of bigfoot sightings in

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pennsylvania as well

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and for many many years well going back

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and for many years thereafter from 1970

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to cases 24 hours a day when we could

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which we did in many many cases that's

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why we're able to document these cases

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so quickly and while the information was

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in some cases there was physical

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evidence we gathered the evidence for

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labs to examine

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and it's just amazing

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what we've done over the years and the

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cases going but it's an ongoing

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phenomenon and so many people don't

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realize that this is going on much more

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often than people realize

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yeah and i'm so interested in in the

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reports that you get because i'm in the

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same state you are i'm on the other side

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of the state but i'm still very close to

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and and i'm hopeful that uh i can get

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with you and get maybe some information

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about

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bigfoot and sasquatch sightings that may

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be close to the poconos because i think

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that you might have heard there's a lot

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of sightings in the pocono mountains of

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of uh

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what can only be called a bigfoot right

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that's correct and there are sightings

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all over pennsylvania there have been

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for years and year even though i get a

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majority reports i get from southwest pa

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western parts of the state we do get

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reports from all over for years and

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years going back to at least the 1970s

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and i'm aware that yes there are there

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is activity going on

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up there right the pennsylvania new york

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border uh there has been for a long long

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time we've heard this report i know of

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one area up there

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that um

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the last few years uh there's been a lot

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of activity up there a lot of strange

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activity even besides bigfoot which i'm

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sure we can talk about uh some of these

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other reports and you may have heard

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about some of these other type of

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phenomena as well but yeah bigfoot

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sightings going every year again it's

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just like ufos they go on every year

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is when some amazing amazing things were

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happening here in pennsylvania i ended

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up writing a whole book about it several

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it's just it was an incredible time 1973

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my first research group was pretty well

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set up by that and we were investigating

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cases around the state so we were able

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to respond to many of these incidents

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and in fact surprising to us as people

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to find out about our research group

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we're receiving many uh referrals from

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the news media from law enforcement

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across the state so we're out there day

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and night around our full-time job

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investigating these reports and back

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then a lot of law enforcement agencies

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were investigating some of the cases as

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well a lot of it was being covered in

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the newspapers across pennsylvania

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during that time so in 1973

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first we had the biggest

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ufo wave ever documented with hundreds

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and hundreds of ufo sightings all across

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the state from january 1st the last day

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of the year

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and then in the summer of 1973

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we had the biggest outbreak of bigfoot

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sightings that went on to early 1974.

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and many of those bigfoot sightings were

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very close-range very detailed reports

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that it wasn't like

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shadow in the dark or somebody seeing

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something running a half a mile down the

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road many of these were in daylight some

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when i tell you some people are 10 15 20

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feet away from these things there were

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some reports like that and they saw

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these things from head to toe and in

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some cases there was more than one

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creature seen together

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and what was fascinating is my teams

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would get out there sometimes within

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minutes the hours after the incident

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so you saw the emotion of the witnesses

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he sometimes found the physical evidence

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which was pretty calm back in those days

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we've got a lot of footprints that we

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made castings to make tracks

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and uh

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you also saw in some cases the animal

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reactions which i have seen

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yeah and just so you know i'm sharing

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i'm sharing where people can get your

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book i have this book this is one of my

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favorite books because i live in

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pennsylvania

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and uh it's called silent invasion the

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pennsylvania ufo bigfoot casebook and

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this is the one that details the 1973

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huge flap right

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that's correct and there's so

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around the country much the world they

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still contact me about that book because

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you know i started writing about those

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incidents back in the 70s when this was

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going on and there was a lot more

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ridicule back in those days but i was in

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contact with many of the well-known

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names in the bigfoot ufo field back

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during that time from around the country

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and actually around the world

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and i was writing about some of the

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strange things that i was finding which

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we can talk about

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and a lot of them acknowledge it yeah

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they heard about these reports they were

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but they were reluctant to talk about it

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or writing about it because they were

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afraid of being lapped up by their

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fellow researchers so i didn't want to

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do it my decision has always been i

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don't have the answers this is what

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we're documenting and this is what we're

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finding i believe these reports are

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authentic and i'm sharing it and hopeful

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hopefully that more witnesses other

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researchers will get more information

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out

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and now in more recent years

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you're hearing a lot about the same

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things i wrote about the 70s and it's

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going on not only in pennsylvania but

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all around the country and around the

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world similar phenomena's going on

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let me tell you about a few things 1073

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which i go into the book in great detail

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we get out to some of these locations

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there'll be trails of these huge

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footprints and all kinds of ground

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conditions including in the winter in

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the snow

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with a very large stride between them

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but the tracks would just suddenly

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abruptly stop

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when there should have been more tracked

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and there's no way under some of the

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conditions we found them they could have

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been fabricated

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yeah and it's interesting to me like

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people don't people don't walk around in

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their bare feet in the snow right in the

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middle of winter

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and and who has bare feet that big i

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remember from the book some of the

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descriptions of the sizes of these

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tracks which is always amazing to me the

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size of the tracks and you've got casts

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of some of them correct

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that's correct yes and this was going on

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again in more recent years i mean people

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send me in photographs and videos of

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these tracks where you can see clearly

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about half of these large tracks and

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then suddenly there's no more and

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there's no reason for them to just stop

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without there being more tracks and

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there's no other tracks around there

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there's no way it could have been

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fabricated of those conditions and then

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in 73 besides the disappearing well the

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appropriate stopping tracks

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other odd things would come to our

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attention

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and

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one of the patterns we began to see was

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you'd have a ufo sighting in a certain

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area within minutes of hours of days

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later you have a big foot sight or vice

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versa and then we had some of those

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amazing incidents that i wrote about the

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book in great detail we had a ufo and a

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bigfoot

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together at the same time

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and um that became very very intriguing

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and you know if we talk about some of

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these cases

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i am not suggesting and i keep stressing

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this that bigfoot is a passenger or a

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pilot and a spacecraft from another

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planet because once again the ufo

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phenomena is very very

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it's very involved very unusual many

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many years ago looking at hundreds and

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hundreds and thousands of cases over the

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years

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i began to realize it's very possible

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there's more than one origin to the

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unknown category of the ufo phenomenon

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so you know when i started this

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everybody believed the unknowns were

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probably interdimensional

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uh

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travelers

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and and i think it's possible maybe a

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small number might be

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but i think the more i know about the

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phenomena

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it's very complex and very strange i

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found a lot about especially even in

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more recent years

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that

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we could be dealing with a phenomenon

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that has a physical and a non-physical

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component to it for lack of a better

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circle called interdimensional and i

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think the government's finding more and

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more about this too because you've heard

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a lot about the government um

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investigation more recent years the

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program's going on and the fact that you

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know navy pilots navy personnel have

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seen these objects and they're doing the

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same thing i've been saying for years

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these things suddenly appear

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sometimes they look physically solid

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then they begin to they can physically

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change form they can appear and

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disappear

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and there's there's much more to this

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understand but also i have paces with

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bigfoot many of them and again it's not

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just me this is going on all over the

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country around the world of the

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incidence which suggests that bigfoot

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may not be a normal physical unknown

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animal

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it might be something much stranger i

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can tell you about cases like that yeah

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i've often wondered

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we talked about this before that there

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is there is a great deal of evidence

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that in in places where there's a lot of

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ufo sightings we also seem to you can

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cross reference that there's a great

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many bigfoot sightings

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so

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there's a a documentary for people

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uh if they're interested featuring mr

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gordon it's called alien paranormal

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bigfoot ufos and the men in black and

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this is a documentary

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uh it's free on voodoo fandango with ads

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i'm going to share that just so people

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if they're interested can can check that

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out that's a great documentary that

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talks about the connection or possible

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connection between

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bigfoot and ufos it seems

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to me that some of this phenomenon may

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be interrelated somehow why are people

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seeing ufos in the same area they're

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seeing bigfoot

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yeah creatures

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actually there's some other really good

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documentaries that are a little more

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recent

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um

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and from the top of my head one is

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called paranormal bigfoot

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and there's also another one which has

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been really popular it's very good about

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the chestnut ridge and all the phenomena

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here in western field chestnut ridge

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yeah i saw that one it made me want to

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drive out there right

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and uh that's called

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chestnut ridge yeah they had a lot of

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sightings of them you know a lot a lot

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of sightings uh and you know i have a

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cabin in the poconos and the one thing

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that always bothers me is that people

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say that these are misidentified bears

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because we have black bears

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and the only time that i've ever seen a

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black bear on its hind legs it was

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scratching its back on a tree

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but it was very obviously a bear

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you know what i mean and so people

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discount these things as maybe i'm sure

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some of them may be misidentified

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bears or other animals but

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what do you think about the argument

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that people are seeing animals and

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they're not seeing

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you know anything extraordinary

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okay well first of all again many of the

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sightings i've investigated there are

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multitudes of them and other

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investigators here pa2

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these are daylight sightings many of

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them they're close range

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many experienced hunters and outdoorsman

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have confronted these things

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many of those guys i interviewed over

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here for guys that spent years out in

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the woods that never believed in bigfoot

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had never seen one

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but once they did their lives were

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changed

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they couldn't believe they saw something

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that was not supposed to exist

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and of course with a lot of the reports

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of these creatures these things are

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walking upright sometimes a little

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scooped over but one thing that really

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stands out is that the arms are

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exceptionally long when they're walking

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upright downtown sometimes almost down

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to the ground and that's one thing of

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course is much different than a beer

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report

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yeah obviously so you've been studying

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this thing for quite some time and i

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think that you may have changed your

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opinion was there a time that you

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thought

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like many that bigfoot was an unknown

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primate that somehow survived out in the

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woods in in remote areas

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and and what was it that you know

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because a lot of people seem to think

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it's just a primate that an undiscovered

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primate

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but considering all i've read about

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bigfoot and and the way it disappears or

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seems to come in and out of people's

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perceptions

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i think you may be right on the

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interdimensional

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side of things right

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well you know i started this when i was

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a 10 year old kid very interested in

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science electronics

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and i started again i was 1959

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and then

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i've been out in the field since 1965

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since the textbook ufo incidents and

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then i had my groups from 1970 for many

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many years so we're out there day and

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night investigating these reports when

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the early years when i got involved i

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was aware of bigfoot i was aware of the

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reports around the country here in

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pennsylvania and there's been a long

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history of bigfoot studies and pa going

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back to the native americans and even

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the newspaper accounts of what they

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called the wild man of the woods to walk

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down before they even called bigfoot

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back in the early days

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and um so that's been gone for years and

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i always felt

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when i got involved investigating things

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in the 60s in pennsylvania that they

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were probably

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unknown primate well that was until

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early 1970s 72 then that massive wave in

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73

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when these cases were investigating that

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we were not looking for this type of

564
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,919
thing but when you start investigating

565
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,520
these reports and you have so many

566
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,400
independent people at various locations

567
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,720
sometimes miles apart even hundreds of

568
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,799
miles apart who don't know each other

569
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,320
and they're telling you the same little

570
00:21:40,470 --> 00:21:38,320
details you get the same patterns over

571
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:40,480
the years and then start realizing where

572
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:42,559
there's something going on here

573
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:44,799
and uh you know i started telling you

574
00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:46,400
about some of the oddities that we found

575
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,520
in 73 you have the ufo bigfoot pattern

576
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:52,080
yeah the tracks just suddenly abruptly

577
00:21:57,029 --> 00:21:55,039
stopped and then people were telling us

578
00:21:58,390 --> 00:21:57,039
strange reports that even daylight

579
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,400
they'd see a big one standing in a

580
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:00,720
certain location and within a second it

581
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:03,280
would visibly disappear and reappear a

582
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,000
short distance away for example or they

583
00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:08,000
would see these things running off

584
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,200
and

585
00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:11,679
they would suddenly just vanish

586
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:14,240
the whole body was not clear it was kind

587
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:16,320
of misty or froggy or something they

588
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:19,440
cannot be through c-sectors of a body

589
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:21,760
about the whole complete solid body i

590
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:24,000
mean these are such strange reports but

591
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:26,159
they're not one or two reports you're

592
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:28,640
hearing more about these cases now

593
00:22:33,029 --> 00:22:30,799
and um if there was one case that

594
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:33,039
happened up in fayette county fayette

595
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:34,000
county you'll probably hear me

596
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,840
mentioning one of the ones tonight it's

597
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:38,159
an area that sabbath along that chestnut

598
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,600
ridge area

599
00:22:44,549 --> 00:22:41,760
that goes through westmore fit indiana

600
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:44,559
county here southwest pa extends down to

601
00:22:49,350 --> 00:22:46,799
several miles outside of morgantown west

602
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,360
virginia is one of the most active areas

603
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:51,280
historically year after year including

604
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:52,320
this year

605
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:56,240
for ufo sightings bigfoot mystery booms

606
00:23:00,470 --> 00:22:58,720
other cryptis all kind of phenomena goes

607
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,480
on along the way in fact right through

608
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,080
the last couple weeks

609
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:04,880
and uh it's just amazing what's going on

610
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:07,760
out there and i found a lot of patterns

611
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,400
that involved not only bigfoot ufos but

612
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,000
i've found more connection now with

613
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,760
other cryptids as well

614
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,480
it is a very complex phenomenon but let

615
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,679
me tell you about this case that

616
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:20,400
happened um yeah sure don't you hear it

617
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:22,159
1974.

618
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:24,000
and and again as you mentioned i found

619
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,679
basically i go into great detail about

620
00:23:29,590 --> 00:23:28,159
this case and it was february 6 i

621
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:29,600
remember it very well

622
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,480
uh

623
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:32,240
some of your listeners

624
00:23:37,270 --> 00:23:33,760
who were around at that time will

625
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:37,280
remember that time period we had a large

626
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:39,520
national trucker strike there was some

627
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:41,840
violence on the highways

628
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,240
there was gas rationing so you remember

629
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,679
people remember that there was gas

630
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,000
rashing at the time and because of the

631
00:23:51,750 --> 00:23:49,679
problems on the roads at the time the

632
00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:51,760
national guard and the state police were

633
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,919
patrolling together in pennsylvania so

634
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:55,600
you had some national guard but the end

635
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,080
state police respond to this incident

636
00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:00,640
um i couldn't get gas in my hometown to

637
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,240
the next morning so i couldn't get up to

638
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:04,720
the scene for the next morning but the

639
00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,640
story was that this woman was in her

640
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,159
little cabin home way deep in the

641
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,159
mountains she lived here for years and

642
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:12,159
years she knew animals very well she was

643
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:13,600
a very good shot

644
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:16,400
and it was a normal evening

645
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,640
she's sitting there watching tv

646
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,400
when she hears this little noise on her

647
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,200
front porch she has some empty uh soda

648
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:25,039
cans pop cans out there and stuff was

649
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,120
knocking pumpkins around

650
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:28,720
and her first thought was that a couple

651
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,120
weeks before she had a pack of wild dogs

652
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,039
coming through and figured the dogs

653
00:24:36,470 --> 00:24:34,640
probably came back so she thought you

654
00:24:38,950 --> 00:24:36,480
know what i'll just go over and i'll get

655
00:24:41,350 --> 00:24:38,960
my my shotgun i'll shoot over the head

656
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,360
and i'll scare those dogs away so that's

657
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,760
what she her pension is to do she gets

658
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,559
up she walks over to the front doors and

659
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,720
grabs a shotgun or a 16 gauge double

660
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,279
barrel shotgun loads one chamber opens

661
00:24:54,870 --> 00:24:53,200
the front door switches on the light and

662
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:54,880
steps out

663
00:24:59,110 --> 00:24:57,600
and there's no dodge there but right

664
00:25:00,630 --> 00:24:59,120
there about uh

665
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,640
six feet away

666
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,440
is this huge hairy bigfoot creature

667
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,679
about seven foot tall and put his arm

668
00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:07,279
straight up over his head the moment the

669
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:08,480
light went on

670
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:10,400
and how does she respond

671
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,430
there's this bright flash of light

672
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:19,360
like the flash on a camera and the

673
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,880
creature physically is gone and

674
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:22,159
disappears

675
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:24,559
wow and then that's interesting

676
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,320
the gunshot 100 feet away and they

677
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,760
caught her on the phone to see what was

678
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:30,080
going on she explained to him

679
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:31,279
so

680
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:36,159
he starts to make his way down that dark

681
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:38,640
road to our cabin home and as he gets

682
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,799
closer he indicated he was surrounded by

683
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,960
four or five scary people with eyes like

684
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,360
coals of fire he started shooting at

685
00:25:49,510 --> 00:25:47,440
them and went into the cabin

686
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,520
and it wasn't long after they this large

687
00:25:53,510 --> 00:25:51,120
object is surprised like a christmas

688
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,520
ornament with flashing lights on

689
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:55,600
hovering over the woods at the same time

690
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,960
and that's when they called the state

691
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,240
police

692
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,520
and um

693
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:01,279
like i said i couldn't get up to the

694
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:02,720
scene the next morning but i did

695
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:04,480
interview the primary investigator he

696
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,279
said by the time they found the location

697
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:09,200
whatever happened there was over and

698
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
gone that he said something very odd

699
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,520
happened there that was based on the

700
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:15,679
animal reaction because when they got

701
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:16,880
off to the scene these people had a

702
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,880
number of farm animals including several

703
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,000
dogs

704
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:22,000
frogs wouldn't work they didn't make a

705
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:23,279
sound

706
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:24,880
and i remember the trooper tell me he

707
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,559
said it was one big dog i think it may

708
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:29,120
have been eskimos fist was in a cage

709
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,559
and it thought it wasn't moving and the

710
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:32,640
guy opened the cage up and

711
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,799
moved he tried to pull the dog out there

712
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,799
was no response that dog should have

713
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,039
ripped his arm off and the next morning

714
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,720
when i'm up there everything's back to

715
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:43,039
normal all the dogs are barking loudly

716
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,799
that was and now something was very

717
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,279
typical of other cases as well that was

718
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:49,200
the case that convinced me and or other

719
00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:52,159
similar type of incidents went on that

720
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:53,840
uh indicated we're dealing with

721
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,440
something that's been physical and

722
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:57,200
non-physical which is probably why

723
00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:58,960
there's never been any bodies or

724
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:01,440
whatever these things might be

725
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,039
it's also interesting to me that it

726
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,400
appears to be

727
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:07,360
a worldwide phenomenon i mean we have uh

728
00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:10,240
the yaren we have the skunk cape we have

729
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:12,720
uh you know the yeti

730
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:15,039
sasquatch bigfoot

731
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,559
uh we have uh the iran pendek

732
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:21,039
it appears that in all areas of the

733
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,000
world

734
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:23,600
there are reports

735
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:26,880
of large bipedal hairy men

736
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:29,600
in remote areas

737
00:27:33,909 --> 00:27:32,159
do you think it's all related

738
00:27:36,470 --> 00:27:33,919
well i i think that the interesting

739
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:36,480
thing is you have similar reports and

740
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,200
here in pennsylvania again we have

741
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,840
your so-called typical bigfoot report

742
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,240
they're generally six to nine feet tall

743
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,760
but we have some other really good

744
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,760
documented cases where some creatures

745
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,679
may have been as tall as 12 foot believe

746
00:27:52,710 --> 00:27:50,640
it or not

747
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:52,720
so where is the 12 foot tall or even six

748
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,799
to nine football creature high and how

749
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,320
much wood do they need to sustain

750
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,240
themselves that doesn't even make any

751
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,760
sense when you look at what we're

752
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,960
dealing with

753
00:28:03,909 --> 00:28:02,720
and um

754
00:28:06,070 --> 00:28:03,919
and then we have small ones they're

755
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:06,080
about four to five feet tall

756
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,320
and the whole thing is with all these

757
00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:10,399
sites are using it throughout the world

758
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,120
nobody yet has confirmed a body we hear

759
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:15,520
stories we hear rumors that nobody's

760
00:28:19,669 --> 00:28:18,000
ever come up with our body and again you

761
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,679
know i i don't put it past the

762
00:28:24,389 --> 00:28:21,840
possibility that maybe there is some

763
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:24,399
type of unknown species out there but i

764
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,080
think a lot of what we're dealing with

765
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,840
the more i know about it the more other

766
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:30,000
researchers are finding out that we may

767
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,520
be dealing with something that's much

768
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,679
more unusual and one of the things

769
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,360
that's been showing up again i've talked

770
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,200
about this for years that it's showing

771
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:39,919
up more and more around the country

772
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:42,799
is that well what i start investigating

773
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:45,279
is what i call mini ufo sightings i

774
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,640
started investigating them back in the

775
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,080
1960s

776
00:28:51,669 --> 00:28:49,679
it's something that very few people talk

777
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:51,679
about but you're beginning to hear more

778
00:28:56,789 --> 00:28:53,840
about this in recent years too

779
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,799
so these very small objects

780
00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:59,120
are not high altitude in the sky

781
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,520
these things are lowered to the ground

782
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,600
they they come very close to people they

783
00:29:08,789 --> 00:29:06,000
come right up to humans i've had cases

784
00:29:10,789 --> 00:29:08,799
easing pacing vehicles and entering

785
00:29:12,789 --> 00:29:10,799
homes and cars through open windows and

786
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,799
flying around and going back out the

787
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:14,080
window or going right through the body

788
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,600
of the vehicle for example right through

789
00:29:19,909 --> 00:29:16,960
a wall of the house

790
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:19,919
and these objects are anywhere from the

791
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,960
smallest ones look like huge oversized

792
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:24,799
fireflies or lightning bugs they're

793
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:26,240
about

794
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:28,240
yeah these orbs you told me you told me

795
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,919
about all the reports they seem to be

796
00:29:35,350 --> 00:29:32,320
increasing these tiny orbs

797
00:29:37,669 --> 00:29:35,360
and they they come very close to people

798
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,679
so you know it's not alien spacecraft if

799
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:39,600
it's only a few inches in diameter so

800
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,159
what what do you feel like it is

801
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,240
okay well the majority of the reports

802
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:46,559
are not the real tiny ones the majority

803
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,320
of them are about one to two feet in

804
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,399
diameter or a little bigger they're

805
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,399
generally spherical

806
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:54,000
but there's some other type of

807
00:29:58,470 --> 00:29:55,840
configuration been reported they're

808
00:30:00,389 --> 00:29:58,480
sometimes solid and metallic

809
00:30:02,789 --> 00:30:00,399
in some cases it's just bright light

810
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:02,799
sources of various colors

811
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:04,960
and um so it's really interesting but

812
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,200
what's been going on in recent years is

813
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,080
that throughout pennsylvania and up in

814
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:12,080
europe in your area we've had reports

815
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,039
like this

816
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,960
and other areas of pennsylvania around

817
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,399
the country

818
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,159
more and more bigfoot researchers are

819
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,000
now talking about this you can go online

820
00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:22,240
to find multitudes of reports now there

821
00:30:25,830 --> 00:30:23,760
are areas where you have a long history

822
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:25,840
of bigfoot sightings many bigfoot

823
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,919
researchers seeing these small spheres

824
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,960
of light

825
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,480
down on the trees low in the trees

826
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,039
sometimes approaching pretty closely

827
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,279
and so that's another thing that's going

828
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:36,799
on now you're getting these reports of

829
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,520
these small spheres of light in areas

830
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,039
where there's a lot of bigfoot reports

831
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,630
and

832
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:46,080
do you have any sense from all the

833
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,320
reports and people that you've talked to

834
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,480
about what they are what they want or

835
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:52,720
what their purpose is

836
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:55,200
well i wish we did but you know there's

837
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,559
so many

838
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,799
unanswered questions that we just don't

839
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:00,480
have the answers for

840
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,880
and i mean these cases

841
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,039
are really interesting uh i'll give you

842
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,960
i'll give you a few examples

843
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,320
um

844
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,399
again there have been many reports up

845
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,880
even on busy highways

846
00:31:17,950 --> 00:31:14,559
uh let me give you one this is kind of

847
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,960
interesting this is from fantalion

848
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,760
[Applause]

849
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,720
this is october 2017

850
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,200
and this is early morning hours it's my

851
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,799
aunt better girl you know where my

852
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,480
wife's car

853
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,240
the whole area is well illuminated the

854
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,720
driveway was very well illuminated

855
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:34,960
uh for the most part when this happened

856
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,440
so this guy's walking down the steps

857
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:40,000
he's only about 10 to 12 feet away and

858
00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:42,000
he notices something by the right bumper

859
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:44,480
of her vehicle the lights roll on here

860
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,720
and the car was well illuminated he saw

861
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,799
an object that was about two feet tall

862
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,200
and shaped something like a haystack

863
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,120
and he said the object was translucent

864
00:31:57,190 --> 00:31:55,279
and shiny and milky white color there

865
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:57,200
were vertical ribs that seemed to be

866
00:32:13,590 --> 00:31:58,559
superstructure

867
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:14,630
and

868
00:32:19,669 --> 00:32:17,120
he got to about six feet away from it

869
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,679
and it suddenly zoomed extremely fast

870
00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,440
across the driveway to the left side of

871
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,840
the car that made a right angle turn

872
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,679
into the darker part of the garage

873
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,600
toward the driver's side

874
00:32:31,430 --> 00:32:29,279
and went into the dark and he never saw

875
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,440
it again so that's kind of interesting

876
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:33,120
whatever that thing might be and now

877
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:34,720
here's another report from outside of

878
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,760
pittsburgh

879
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,360
and again here's another thing that's

880
00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,279
fascinating about the bigfoot reports

881
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:41,360
you know people were always saying

882
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:43,279
well they only see them in forested

883
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:46,000
areas wooded areas rural areas we're

884
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:48,000
getting more and more reports in recent

885
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,399
years of them being seen in more

886
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,480
populated areas

887
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:53,679
in your

888
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,720
cities

889
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:56,640
i mean that's intriguing in the summit

890
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,440
here's the case this is may of 2019. so

891
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,519
it's early morning hours and the spell

892
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,440
happens to be up in the

893
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:05,120
kitchen i believe was have to look out

894
00:33:07,110 --> 00:33:06,320
the window

895
00:33:08,950 --> 00:33:07,120
and

896
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:08,960
there's a lot of illumination in his

897
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,880
backyard but there's a lot of wood stuff

898
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,720
behind his mouth as well

899
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,799
so he sees a small bigfoot about four

900
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,720
and a half to five feet tall covered

901
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,880
with dark hair long hair on the head and

902
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,679
back

903
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:21,519
walking on two legs you can see the arms

904
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:24,080
extending almost down to the knees again

905
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,159
he said the arms were swinging the air

906
00:33:29,750 --> 00:33:27,840
was illuminated by outdoor lighting

907
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,760
they've got a good view of this thing

908
00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:31,360
and he says

909
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:33,919
hey why does this thing enter a protect

910
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,679
right in the certified it goes into the

911
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:38,320
wooded area he said about three seconds

912
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:40,720
later after the creature entered that

913
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:43,039
area of the wood that a bright sphere of

914
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:44,640
light about three to four inches in

915
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,799
diameter suddenly appeared he said it

916
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,399
was similar to looking into the front of

917
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,720
a flashlight but it was about four feet

918
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:52,799
off the ground the light then moved the

919
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,120
short distance and then vanished a few

920
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,120
seconds later the light appeared again

921
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,519
about 10 feet away the small sphere

922
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,000
emitted a bright beam of light about 10

923
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,640
to 12 feet length in a few seconds it

924
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:06,799
disappeared and that was it so here

925
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:08,399
again you've got two type reports that

926
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:10,079
are very unusual

927
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,399
yeah and just so you know

928
00:34:17,190 --> 00:34:14,720
uh some of our audience tends to be the

929
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,200
skeptical bunch we have a mix here of

930
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,119
people who are true believers we have a

931
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:21,520
mix of very skeptical people and people

932
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,560
all in between that spectrum

933
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,639
so some people are asking about

934
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,800
more about proof or physical evidence

935
00:34:31,430 --> 00:34:30,399
some of the reports that you take people

936
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:31,440
have

937
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:33,839
uh you know some form of evidence

938
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,720
besides their stories isn't that correct

939
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:38,960
some people have pictures of the

940
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,280
of of the objects they saw

941
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:43,520
and things like that

942
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:48,000
oh yeah and each case is different

943
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:51,119
ufo outlandi cases where we had

944
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:52,639
materials recover we have labs

945
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:53,839
examination

946
00:34:59,349 --> 00:34:56,960
and um one case um going back from

947
00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:59,359
remembering maybe 1990

948
00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:01,520
uh north of pittsburgh where

949
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,839
we would a really isolated area where

950
00:35:07,750 --> 00:35:05,119
people somebody had seen something

951
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,760
coming down they found these very large

952
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:09,839
numerous burnt areas

953
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:12,160
and we didn't know about about a week

954
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,520
later we got a team up there

955
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:15,599
unfortunately i wasn't there that night

956
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,040
and um

957
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:19,119
these areas were quite interesting and

958
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,960
we set the lab uh

959
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:23,040
samples and there was no accelerants no

960
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,440
indication of anything fabricated on it

961
00:35:30,310 --> 00:35:28,480
coincidentally at that time

962
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,320
that's when he had those big camcorders

963
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:32,160
out there and my team that they had two

964
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:35,040
um remember one person my group had one

965
00:35:38,870 --> 00:35:36,480
anyhow

966
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,880
while they were there a ufo like a

967
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,440
child's pop up here from the sky it's

968
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,480
right there and hovered there for

969
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,160
several minutes and took off a high rate

970
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:46,000
of speed three different people in the

971
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,240
area of video taped it at the same time

972
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,079
which is quite interesting

973
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:52,480
and um so you've got multiple you've got

974
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,960
multiple reports of the same thing that

975
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,560
would seem to be

976
00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,520
you know

977
00:36:00,950 --> 00:35:59,200
much more believable than a single

978
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,960
report

979
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,079
right well yeah

980
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,480
and that happens quite often i mean

981
00:36:08,470 --> 00:36:06,640
quite also we'll get reports from more

982
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,480
than one person the same year

983
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,160
and sometimes the same night sometimes

984
00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:12,079
weeks or months later but we'll get

985
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,400
other people confirming the story and

986
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,480
that's interesting but talking about

987
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:18,880
uh skepticism you know i had a lot of

988
00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:21,359
people in my research group i had

989
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,400
i had physicists i had chemistry

990
00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:26,640
geologists i had forensic people have

991
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,480
police officers

992
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:30,400
they were involved in the group a lot

993
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,359
more very open-minded and skeptical

994
00:36:36,950 --> 00:36:34,720
some of them were very skeptical and

995
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,960
some of these guys and men and women

996
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:38,880
spent sometimes months or years out in

997
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,240
the field with me some of these people

998
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:42,320
likely are still around today

999
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:43,599
and

1000
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:46,960
investigate the reports they interviewed

1001
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,040
the witnesses they saw the animal

1002
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,280
reaction they saw the evidence the scene

1003
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,359
but over a period of a long time you

1004
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:54,720
begin to see

1005
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:56,960
the similarities of the details you see

1006
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,640
the emotion the witnesses you see the

1007
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,800
animal reactions you see the patterns

1008
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:03,040
and they begin to realize something is

1009
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,720
going on here

1010
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:06,400
it's just we don't know what it was and

1011
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:08,560
that was especially after that most

1012
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,000
amazing case

1013
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:12,480
that uh i think you read about my book

1014
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:16,400
uh october 25th 1973 in fayette county

1015
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:18,160
uh outside of uniontown when he had

1016
00:37:25,190 --> 00:37:20,880
multiple witnesses observed as foreign

1017
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:25,200
size ufo land on the pasture of a farm

1018
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:26,079
and

1019
00:37:29,109 --> 00:37:27,599
while the objects are on the ground

1020
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:29,119
there's two bigfoot creatures standing

1021
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,640
there at the same time

1022
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,320
and that's probably one of the most

1023
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:34,320
amazing well-documented incident ever

1024
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,240
recorded anywhere in the world there's a

1025
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,560
lot of strange elements to it which i i

1026
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:39,680
detail

1027
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,480
and

1028
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,880
but what's also interesting was

1029
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,079
um

1030
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:45,920
what the key witness of the case the son

1031
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:48,240
of the farm the son of the farmer on the

1032
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:50,480
property who he and two young boys went

1033
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,560
up to investigate after seeing this

1034
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:55,119
thing coming down and it went from a a

1035
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:57,440
huge boring size spherical

1036
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,720
uh red sphere to a bright white half a

1037
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,640
seal like a big white delta 100 feet in

1038
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,880
diameter that was on the ground right

1039
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:07,040
above it and the two creatures standing

1040
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,880
in the field at the same time

1041
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,480
and the guy

1042
00:38:13,589 --> 00:38:12,400
just to make the story short

1043
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,599
that guy

1044
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,200
takes several shots at the creatures

1045
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,119
with no effects on him using a 30 odd

1046
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:19,520
six and he was a very good hunter and

1047
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:20,960
he's sure sure he hit them with no

1048
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,760
effect on him but at one point when he

1049
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,079
took a shot with a he wanted he had two

1050
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,599
different tracers with him too he didn't

1051
00:38:32,150 --> 00:38:29,440
know that tracer boys he just got that

1052
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,160
luminous trail when he fired the second

1053
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,480
tracer the largest of the two creatures

1054
00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:35,680
so it was about eight foot tall the

1055
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:37,599
other one's about seven feet tall they

1056
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,839
covered long dark matted hair they have

1057
00:38:43,910 --> 00:38:41,839
no neck the arms are down almost to the

1058
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:43,920
ground they're very long they have

1059
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:46,640
luminous glowing green eyes and they're

1060
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:49,280
making these baby crying whining noises

1061
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,320
and

1062
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:52,240
when this creature

1063
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:54,480
when a man fired the second tracer the

1064
00:38:58,470 --> 00:38:56,000
largest creature reached out instead of

1065
00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:58,480
grab at it and made this loud baby crime

1066
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:01,680
lighting noise and at the same time that

1067
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:04,079
large object just just vanished and

1068
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:06,400
disappeared it didn't take off it was

1069
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,800
just gone so all the luminos muscle

1070
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,119
illuminating the area went it was making

1071
00:39:14,950 --> 00:39:13,200
a high-pitched winding noise it stopped

1072
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,960
that creatures turn around start walking

1073
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,040
back along this barbed wire fence

1074
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,640
towards the woods where they came from

1075
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:20,640
he's fired a goliath ammo into him with

1076
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:22,400
no effect on him

1077
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,160
and he they called the state police

1078
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,240
what are the police what do the police

1079
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:30,320
say when people are calling in bigfoot

1080
00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:32,320
i'm just curious what police generally

1081
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,400
say when people are calling in

1082
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:36,720
strange creature sightings in bigfoot do

1083
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,560
they take it all seriously or do they

1084
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:40,560
kind of laugh it off and

1085
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:43,119
you know just answer the call but but

1086
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:45,520
shelf whatever they you know shelf the

1087
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,040
report of it

1088
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:49,599
well i can tell you back in those years

1089
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:52,960
the 70s 80s when the public recording

1090
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,480
many many

1091
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,400
incidents like that they were not

1092
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,400
locking them on too much in many cases

1093
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,079
each case is different you know i guess

1094
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:01,680
it depends on the personnel who might

1095
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,000
answer the phone but back then they

1096
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,480
responded and in this particular case i

1097
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:08,800
remember the trooper told the witness

1098
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,800
when he got to the scene but when the

1099
00:40:14,230 --> 00:40:12,800
trooper arrived 45 minutes later some

1100
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:14,240
yesterday the witness said well just

1101
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,079
forget about you and think i'm crazy and

1102
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,160
then the trooper said tell me along the

1103
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,359
line that

1104
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,359
i have to investigate we had a report of

1105
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:23,359
two similar creatures on the mountain

1106
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:24,800
the night before i have to investigate

1107
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,200
the reports but when the trooper and the

1108
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:29,599
witness went up into the pasture

1109
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,480
to look around the trooper told me the

1110
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,040
area where the object was on the ground

1111
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,160
was self-luminescent glowing about 100

1112
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,240
feet or more in diameter he said the

1113
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,720
farm animals were not going near it he

1114
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:44,480
told me that if i had a newspaper i

1115
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,839
believe i could have read the newspaper

1116
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:48,079
from that light coming off the glow so

1117
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,560
that was very interesting

1118
00:40:56,230 --> 00:40:53,040
yeah definitely very interesting

1119
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,240
there seems to be a um an a newer sort

1120
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,599
of belief like i said it used to be

1121
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:02,400
that people believed or or the consensus

1122
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:05,040
i guess of researchers was that it was a

1123
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:07,839
you know unknown primate but as more

1124
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:09,839
information becomes available

1125
00:41:14,230 --> 00:41:12,560
more and more people talk about these

1126
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,240
things that many people call high

1127
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:16,880
strangeness or areas where

1128
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,200
there's ufo sightings bigfoot sightings

1129
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:21,280
other cryptid creatures

1130
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,480
um maybe even ghosts or haunted houses

1131
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:26,960
hauntings do you believe that maybe all

1132
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,680
of these things are somehow related

1133
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,119
it's all the same phenomenon or

1134
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:33,920
different faces of the same phenomenon

1135
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,359
and the more i've learned about

1136
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,599
especially in the last several years the

1137
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:39,280
more i know about the time like i said

1138
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,119
if we wouldn't begin to talk about this

1139
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,160
tonight is so complex it is so involved

1140
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,920
but the more i know about the phenomena

1141
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,359
the more it seems that

1142
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,280
a number of different anomalies may

1143
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,440
somehow be interconnected i don't have

1144
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,119
the answers i can tell you that but i

1145
00:41:58,790 --> 00:41:55,520
can tell you one pattern i found years

1146
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,800
and years ago was that many close range

1147
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,119
low-level ufo encounters so we're

1148
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:02,640
talking about this light in the sky

1149
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,560
we're talking large

1150
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,680
but very

1151
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,000
solid objects but don't forget i've also

1152
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,160
told you that even case we have a white

1153
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,640
appear to be solid physical objects at

1154
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,800
times will fade away disappear or change

1155
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:16,800
physical form that even happened in

1156
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:18,240
cases this year

1157
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:19,119
and

1158
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,520
so you have that type of thing going on

1159
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:23,119
and um

1160
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,920
so

1161
00:42:28,150 --> 00:42:26,319
there's more to this than we understand

1162
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,160
so you you've got that like this one of

1163
00:42:31,990 --> 00:42:30,560
my turns applied

1164
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:32,000
yeah sure

1165
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,680
i was talking about the

1166
00:42:37,349 --> 00:42:35,760
the possible connection between all of

1167
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,359
these paranormal

1168
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:40,319
types of events ghosts demons shadow

1169
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,359
people

1170
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,960
bigfoot dog man sightings ufos alien

1171
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:47,200
creatures

1172
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,520
maybe it's all the same phenomenon and

1173
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:51,760
and different faces of the same

1174
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,760
phenomenon somehow

1175
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:55,359
and i think more and more we're starting

1176
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:56,960
to find out what i started to tell you

1177
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,760
was here's the pattern i found many low

1178
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:02,560
level close range ufo sightings and many

1179
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,240
encounters with bigfoot and other

1180
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,280
cryptids

1181
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,280
calmly occur in the vicinity of high

1182
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:09,200
energy sources so you have many

1183
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:10,240
sightings

1184
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:11,680
around

1185
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,960
high tension power lines power plants

1186
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:17,200
cell phone towers radio communication

1187
00:43:23,190 --> 00:43:20,160
towers bodies of water railroad tracks

1188
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:23,200
gas lines gas well very very common

1189
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,040
there's definite energy connection to

1190
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,960
whatever we're dealing with and the

1191
00:43:30,710 --> 00:43:29,760
reports get weirder and weirder and

1192
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,720
you know we've all heard of the

1193
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,400
skinwalker ranch

1194
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,800
well when i was investigating the 70s

1195
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:37,359
was the same thing was going on here

1196
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:39,760
and i began and i was realizing over the

1197
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,640
years that there were certain areas that

1198
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,040
the phenomena for whatever reason seems

1199
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,040
to focus or concentrate on so it could

1200
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,680
be a certain geographical location a

1201
00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:52,640
certain property where the phenomena

1202
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,760
occurs

1203
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,520
some of these places have historically

1204
00:44:00,309 --> 00:43:57,839
had these businesses for years and years

1205
00:44:01,190 --> 00:44:00,319
including up in your area i know of one

1206
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,200
and

1207
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,359
there are other places where the

1208
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:05,920
phenomena might just begin so going back

1209
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,800
in memory 1977

1210
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:10,960
if i remember

1211
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,800
on the border of

1212
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,119
westmoreland and armstrong county and

1213
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,119
southwest ta

1214
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:19,599
uh you had a series of incidents that

1215
00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:21,760
started but it really intensified in 81

1216
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,200
or 82 it all began as i recall from

1217
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:26,880
people seeing an object fall from the

1218
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:29,760
sky one afternoon to a large wooded area

1219
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,760
and after that they began to

1220
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,760
growls and screams and

1221
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,599
and all kind of phenomena began to have

1222
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,280
they saw strange lights

1223
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:39,280
and as time went on they began to have

1224
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:41,680
many bigfoot sightings in the area balls

1225
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:42,800
of light

1226
00:44:47,349 --> 00:44:44,960
strange footprints

1227
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,359
and then you had also at the same time

1228
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,920
an outbreak of black panther sightings

1229
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,359
oh yeah i've always found those

1230
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:53,119
interesting but i've always

1231
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:54,400
worried that people are just

1232
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,560
misidentifying straight black cats

1233
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:57,760
because

1234
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,560
at my cabin i saw i saw a big what i

1235
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,160
thought was a big black

1236
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,920
cat i thought it was like a panther and

1237
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,920
then it turned out it was just

1238
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,240
uh like one of one of the locals have

1239
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,440
some straight you know there's just

1240
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:11,040
stray cats around there it just happened

1241
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:13,920
to be a black cat but on first sight of

1242
00:45:17,910 --> 00:45:15,839
it i was convinced that it was a big cat

1243
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:17,920
and then it turned out later i saw it

1244
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,240
and it was you know just a regular house

1245
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:23,280
cat but there are some pictures and even

1246
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,880
videos of these

1247
00:45:30,950 --> 00:45:26,800
large black cat sightings too that's

1248
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:33,589
cases right i've investigated quite a

1249
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:36,160
lot of them we had uh the last couple

1250
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,800
years we had some very very close-range

1251
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,880
data like i mean i had one guy who was

1252
00:45:43,910 --> 00:45:42,480
10 feet away from one

1253
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:43,920
scared the heck out of him let me tell

1254
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,680
you and again hunters outdoorsmen very

1255
00:45:50,230 --> 00:45:49,440
credible people that accounts for these

1256
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,240
things

1257
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,720
and i found some similarities to some of

1258
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:54,400
the strange things with bigfoot but one

1259
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:55,920
of the things was

1260
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:57,920
in these areas where you have this

1261
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,240
outbreak of various crypt bigfoot you

1262
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,240
sometimes have other cryptids so while

1263
00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,240
you were having an outbreak of bigfoot

1264
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,640
sightings in that area you began to have

1265
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,400
an outbreak of black panther sightings

1266
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,480
at the same time and by the way

1267
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:12,640
this event actually made the pittsburgh

1268
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,280
tv news and newspapers it was such a big

1269
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,800
deal that went on because he had so many

1270
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:20,000
critical witnesses and um and again

1271
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,920
there have been so many cases of black

1272
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,000
fans of sightings and yet have there

1273
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,160
been a misidentification yep some of the

1274
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,240
reports of some where they're distance

1275
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,240
away and people misidentified some very

1276
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:32,960
large house gap but we're talking

1277
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,200
an animal that people would generally

1278
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:37,200
consider

1279
00:46:41,109 --> 00:46:39,359
a black leopard a black jaguar not an

1280
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:41,119
animal communist part of the world yet

1281
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,560
similar things have gone on throughout

1282
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,000
the country where these things aren't

1283
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:46,880
supposed to exist but let me tell you

1284
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,520
one case i investigated that just shows

1285
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:50,960
a similarity

1286
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:53,200
with a bigfoot case i just talked to you

1287
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:56,319
about sure

1288
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,079
1983

1289
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,319
very very uh it was cold early morning

1290
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,240
this man's coming home from friends it's

1291
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,160
one o'clock in the morning close into

1292
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,720
his driveway his car is overheating

1293
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,119
so he goes into the garage and grabs a

1294
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:11,359
can of anti-freeze opens the hood and

1295
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,599
began he begins to pour antifreeze in

1296
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,520
the in the vehicle and he hears his

1297
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,560
ground

1298
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,319
so he turns around

1299
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:20,880
and there's this large black pod cat

1300
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:23,280
about 20 feet away growling at him he

1301
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,720
didn't think too much about it because

1302
00:47:29,430 --> 00:47:27,359
sure there's just big cats around there

1303
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:29,440
so a few seconds later

1304
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,280
he goes back to working off putting more

1305
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:33,119
antifreeze in the car a few seconds

1306
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:35,040
later he hears another growl but this

1307
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:38,160
grout is much louder and deeper and he

1308
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,480
turns around he's shocked because that

1309
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:42,880
large house cat and it has now

1310
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,359
physically grown about another foot in

1311
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:46,480
size

1312
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,720
so the man throws the empty enterprise

1313
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:51,119
can at the animal which he hits it

1314
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:53,040
growls fiercely at him like he's going

1315
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,280
to attack him takes two or three steps

1316
00:47:59,670 --> 00:47:57,040
backwards the ground is moving up the

1317
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,680
illuminated roadway up outside of his

1318
00:48:02,870 --> 00:48:01,839
home he runs to the side and grabs his

1319
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:02,880
pistol

1320
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,000
and he goes outside and takes a shot but

1321
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,839
he realized this point

1322
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,000
that the animal now has physically grown

1323
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,920
to the size of what he was an animal he

1324
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,000
saw in the zoo like a black black bird a

1325
00:48:18,790 --> 00:48:16,240
black jack robe with a long tail and has

1326
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:18,800
luminous yellow eyes staring at him you

1327
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,349
yeah this is the kind of stuff that you

1328
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,680
know uh it kind of makes you it makes

1329
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,000
you wonder what what is it that what is

1330
00:48:35,430 --> 00:48:33,760
it that people are saying

1331
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:35,440
you know you mention these areas that

1332
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,079
may be hot spots

1333
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:40,480
i've read a lot of research about

1334
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,760
magnetic

1335
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:43,920
fields and their effect on the human

1336
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,280
brain

1337
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:46,800
is it possible that some of these hot

1338
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:49,440
spot areas have high magnetic fields and

1339
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,960
that might be causing people to

1340
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,119
believe they see something that's not

1341
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:57,680
really truly there or

1342
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,119
in other words do you believe that there

1343
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,200
may be some scientific explanation

1344
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:02,880
especially for some of these hot spots

1345
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:05,200
where people keep seeing weird things

1346
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:06,720
and historically

1347
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:08,720
there's been many reports in some areas

1348
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,800
of many strange things

1349
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,280
well i i think electromagnetism plays a

1350
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,760
role again the energy connection does uh

1351
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,359
again you gotta remember you've got

1352
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,960
animal reactions that animals are

1353
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,440
reacting to it as well

1354
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:23,040
physical evidence that's the same i

1355
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,200
don't think it's all hallucinatory

1356
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,400
and um but again now here's another

1357
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:30,400
aspect of the case and there's many

1358
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,319
again we probably have time to talk

1359
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,640
about tonight but anyhow

1360
00:49:38,549 --> 00:49:36,400
you you've heard years and years ago

1361
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,559
with ufo cases going back to keys at

1362
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:41,359
least the 1950s at least that early

1363
00:49:44,950 --> 00:49:42,800
and

1364
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:44,960
anyhow you would have these large

1365
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,040
objects would hover over cars be very

1366
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:49,520
close to vehicles and when they were

1367
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:51,839
the vehicles

1368
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,680
the headlights began to fade and then

1369
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:55,200
the object would move off and power come

1370
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,800
back on well

1371
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,559
there's not a lot of them but there are

1372
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,480
cases i've invested in them all around

1373
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,720
the country where for example a bigfoot

1374
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,559
walks out near a car

1375
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,480
and suddenly the the engine begins to

1376
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,800
sputter it begins to lose power and as

1377
00:50:12,309 --> 00:50:10,720
the creature moves off into the woods

1378
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:12,319
the power comes back on the car works

1379
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,599
normally so you have these

1380
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,480
electromagnetic effects as well

1381
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:18,640
yeah this is a very cut i've heard that

1382
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:22,000
description of the car shutting off in

1383
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,839
so many different cases

1384
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,599
it appears that they have some kind of

1385
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,160
negative effect on electronics as if

1386
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,880
there's some sort of like emp effect

1387
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:32,960
electromagnetic pulse that shuts down

1388
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:35,520
anything electronic we also see reports

1389
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,720
of this in

1390
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:38,720
some crop circles where people will take

1391
00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:40,480
a camera or other

1392
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,960
you know battery-powered device inside a

1393
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,599
crop circle and suddenly the device goes

1394
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:48,240
off and loses all power

1395
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:50,160
that's another strange strange strange

1396
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,760
phenomenon i don't understand how

1397
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:53,680
they're able to do that stuff

1398
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,079
or why that that's the case but it seems

1399
00:51:00,470 --> 00:50:58,319
to be the case right

1400
00:51:02,230 --> 00:51:00,480
yeah and also something else i've

1401
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,240
noticed for years

1402
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,240
and i started noticing many years ago

1403
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,520
that

1404
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,359
there are times when people attempt to

1405
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:10,079
take pictures about ufos and cryptids

1406
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,520
and they're normally

1407
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:14,240
operating a cell phone camera their old

1408
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:16,640
digital camera would malfunction at the

1409
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,119
time i've even found cases now where

1410
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:21,599
people right after the experience went

1411
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:24,480
to take pictures of physical evidence

1412
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,000
left behind by the creature and the

1413
00:51:29,990 --> 00:51:28,240
camera would malfunction but this has

1414
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:30,000
happened more and more with low level

1415
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,960
ufo cases in more recent years as well

1416
00:51:37,829 --> 00:51:35,040
and you get these other cases with

1417
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:37,839
bigfoot as well it like i said this is

1418
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,230
yeah and i get that some people are

1419
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,480
skeptical and they're like

1420
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:50,319
you know for some people no evidence is

1421
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:51,680
enough though

1422
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:54,559
you know this is a very elusive kind of

1423
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,119
phenomenon it's not like you know like

1424
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,640
i'm sure people would prefer they just

1425
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,119
land on the white house lawn or bigfoot

1426
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:02,960
shows up somewhere where everybody can

1427
00:52:08,150 --> 00:52:05,839
see it and you know i wanted to ask you

1428
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,160
though what did you think of uh

1429
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,359
what do you think of some of the

1430
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:11,119
so-called evidence that others are

1431
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:14,240
presenting there's been a sort of bevy

1432
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,520
of

1433
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,480
documentaries about bigfoot lately

1434
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:21,040
um and somebody mentioned one person in

1435
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:22,480
particular

1436
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:24,960
who's got you know some film that he

1437
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:27,280
claims are bigfoot creatures and and

1438
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,520
also what do you think of the

1439
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:32,400
the i don't know decades-long debate of

1440
00:52:39,190 --> 00:52:36,800
this uh patterson gimlin footage

1441
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:39,200
well again if there's you know i do a

1442
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:40,880
mainly in pa

1443
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,040
and i don't like to comment on other

1444
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:45,040
cases without being directly involved

1445
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:46,559
because one thing i found over the years

1446
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:47,760
is that

1447
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,440
even cases i've investigated written

1448
00:52:53,270 --> 00:52:51,440
about on the internet i see over the

1449
00:52:54,870 --> 00:52:53,280
years that people rewrite those stories

1450
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,880
on those accounts and the information

1451
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,440
changes so it's hard for me to comment

1452
00:53:01,430 --> 00:52:59,280
you know on what other people are saying

1453
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,440
without knowing the full details not

1454
00:53:04,710 --> 00:53:03,839
being involved i i've always felt that

1455
00:53:09,430 --> 00:53:04,720
the

1456
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:09,440
seen i've seen a lot of alleged pictures

1457
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,359
taken by people here in pennsylvania the

1458
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,200
public has never seen and they're

1459
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:15,040
interesting but it's a lot of that i

1460
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:17,280
think we can explain but i've always

1461
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,240
thought of all the ones that i have seen

1462
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:22,160
if one is real it's probably the

1463
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,079
patterson film it's always been one that

1464
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,720
i thought was very interesting

1465
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,440
yeah i i have a problem

1466
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,680
with thinking that it's a uh it's a guy

1467
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,760
in a suit but then again i've seen

1468
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,839
evidence that may seem to indicate that

1469
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:37,839
one of my researchers friends

1470
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,160
thinks that he found what may be you

1471
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,960
know like a zipper

1472
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:45,119
that that's evident from blow ups but

1473
00:53:47,670 --> 00:53:46,079
this is

1474
00:53:49,270 --> 00:53:47,680
then we're in age now where people are

1475
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:49,280
taking the original film and they're

1476
00:53:54,069 --> 00:53:51,920
enhancing it and you don't know what

1477
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:54,079
i mean i'm a computer science guy unless

1478
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:56,079
they know exactly what that algorithm

1479
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,000
that's doing the enhancement is doing to

1480
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,920
the original source material i don't

1481
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,000
really trust enhanced

1482
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:04,640
images but people have done

1483
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,280
sort of forensic analysis of

1484
00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:08,720
you know like

1485
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:10,800
the locomotion of this thing and saying

1486
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:13,359
that it couldn't be a man in a suit but

1487
00:54:17,670 --> 00:54:15,760
then there's other people who claim

1488
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,680
that they were the guy in the suit and

1489
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,760
and one guy passed a lie detector

1490
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,319
claiming he was the guy in the suit

1491
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,160
this is kind of like the rabbit hole

1492
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,240
right you get in there and then i

1493
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,599
suppose the believers are going to

1494
00:54:31,030 --> 00:54:28,640
believe

1495
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:31,040
the the evidence that supports it's real

1496
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,800
and the skeptics may believe the

1497
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,119
evidence that supports it's not real and

1498
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,680
we don't seem to get any closer to

1499
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,880
you know

1500
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,119
a verdict right

1501
00:54:44,549 --> 00:54:43,599
and that's right and again even with ufo

1502
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:44,559
cases

1503
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,160
a lot of these come from very credible

1504
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,040
people but when i when you take the time

1505
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:51,440
to investigate the report very commonly

1506
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,200
they're misidentification this company

1507
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:55,440
would get a lot calls on penis sightings

1508
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,040
you know you had a lot of starling

1509
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,119
satellites before the last few years

1510
00:55:02,789 --> 00:55:01,040
that you know people were really

1511
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,799
concerned over but that's what they were

1512
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,640
so a lot of these things look strange

1513
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,240
but when you take time to investigate

1514
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:08,240
you can explain them but every year

1515
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:10,079
we're getting incidents coming in you

1516
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:13,359
cannot easily explain away

1517
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:14,400
yeah

1518
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,160
you know

1519
00:55:23,190 --> 00:55:20,640
i don't know there's a there's some some

1520
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,200
of the so-called evidence though it is

1521
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:24,799
clearly hoax what do you think of the

1522
00:55:30,870 --> 00:55:27,680
number of hoax i i don't know if you did

1523
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,880
but i followed this uh one person who

1524
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,960
was involved in two separate hoaxes the

1525
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,119
first was uh

1526
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:37,760
that they put you know a suit a bigfoot

1527
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,760
suit in a freezer and they even got on

1528
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:41,760
cnn claiming that they had a body of

1529
00:55:44,710 --> 00:55:42,960
bigfoot

1530
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:44,720
later the same person

1531
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,240
uh created a bigfoot uh and put it in a

1532
00:55:51,510 --> 00:55:49,760
case and was like

1533
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:51,520
traveling around charging people money

1534
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,240
to see it he claimed that he shot

1535
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,880
this bigfoot and then they stuffed it i

1536
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:57,839
mean

1537
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,400
it is a little bit of a circus right

1538
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,680
with all these people hoaxing things and

1539
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,280
you know it seems to be like a form of

1540
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,359
entertainment for some people so

1541
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,359
people rush in to fill the void of the

1542
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:12,640
lack of evidence with fake stuff right

1543
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,119
well it does happen over the years

1544
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,119
unfortunate but i can tell you that

1545
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,200
multitudes of cases i've worked on

1546
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,839
you've got very few hoax cases and some

1547
00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:24,160
of those were during that 73 outbreak

1548
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:26,319
after was making the news and mainly it

1549
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,240
was both footprints and it was very easy

1550
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,480
for a team to get out there and tell the

1551
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:32,079
difference between authentic tracks and

1552
00:56:36,309 --> 00:56:33,119
other ones

1553
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:36,319
and so that happens on occasion but um

1554
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,040
it's not a common thing there's more

1555
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:40,079
misidentifications many more than hope

1556
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,359
system

1557
00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:43,040
yeah yeah and i would tend to agree with

1558
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,720
you and some some

1559
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,880
so you know i mean of course i i don't

1560
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:48,480
want to believe a hoax so if if

1561
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,839
something's fake i want to know that

1562
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,760
it's fake but some of this stuff

1563
00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,520
especially something like the patterson

1564
00:56:58,470 --> 00:56:56,400
gimlin footage i mean it's been analyzed

1565
00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:58,480
to death and really

1566
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,240
whether whether somebody will say that's

1567
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:03,040
real genuine footage of a real animal or

1568
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,000
not

1569
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:06,079
it depends on who you ask right it

1570
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,599
really depends on who you ask and i know

1571
00:57:12,470 --> 00:57:09,839
jeff meldrum and some of some of the

1572
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,480
other bigfoot researchers are absolutely

1573
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,880
convinced that that's a real animal and

1574
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,280
that it couldn't be a human in a suit

1575
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,040
and other people are convinced it's a

1576
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:22,160
guy in a suit but nobody has been able

1577
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:25,280
to recreate that with a guy in a suit

1578
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:28,480
to that level of detail in my view so

1579
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:29,599
far right

1580
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,040
i don't know

1581
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:32,720
well of course that's an interesting

1582
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,599
case but i basically

1583
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,920
rely on the multitudes of witnesses

1584
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,359
we've interviewed we were out to the

1585
00:57:43,109 --> 00:57:41,119
scene a lot of these cases

1586
00:57:45,510 --> 00:57:43,119
you know that very detailed accounts for

1587
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:45,520
people were extremely close

1588
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,720
and there's no way they could

1589
00:57:51,109 --> 00:57:48,640
misidentification things for example was

1590
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:51,119
a bear or somebody in a suit or a large

1591
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:53,040
dog which we had some case years ago a

1592
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,520
large shaggy dog that people reported

1593
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,839
and that's what they were

1594
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,000
i thought it was a big foot huh they

1595
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:02,000
must have been a big dog

1596
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,440
there was some

1597
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,680
pretty big thoughts of people i remember

1598
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,000
one case we had a report during the 70s

1599
00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,839
they thought it was a death a dead

1600
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:11,440
bigfoot that they ruined along the road

1601
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:13,520
one going back they found a very large

1602
00:58:19,510 --> 00:58:16,559
shaggy dog dead in the bushes

1603
00:58:22,710 --> 00:58:19,520
yeah yeah i i mean i i yeah

1604
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,720
as a child i once saw a silvery dog like

1605
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:24,960
a gray dog in the woods and i swore that

1606
00:58:28,870 --> 00:58:26,559
it was a wolf it turned out to be a

1607
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,880
neighbor's dog got out of the yard

1608
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,880
and i just was young and inexperienced

1609
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,240
and didn't know the difference between

1610
00:58:36,950 --> 00:58:34,799
like a male mute husky and a wolf to me

1611
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:36,960
i saw a wolf in the woods

1612
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:38,720
you know

1613
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:40,480
some short time later my father was

1614
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,079
talking to the neighbors and found out

1615
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:43,920
that it was a local dog

1616
00:58:49,349 --> 00:58:46,960
so misidentification definitely happens

1617
00:58:51,030 --> 00:58:49,359
i wanted to pivot because the ufo folks

1618
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,040
are getting antsy they're like this is

1619
00:58:56,549 --> 00:58:54,000
all bigfoot where's the ufo stuff so i

1620
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,559
wanted to mention that you

1621
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,040
are probably the world's leading expert

1622
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:01,440
uh most would agree with me on the

1623
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:05,119
kecksburg ufo crash and uh

1624
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,440
you began your interest in that as a

1625
00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,599
child right you heard the first reports

1626
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:11,599
of it and then you've been investigating

1627
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:13,040
it all your life

1628
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:14,160
we've got a

1629
00:59:19,270 --> 00:59:16,319
a previous interview with you from ages

1630
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:19,280
ago about the you know the basics of the

1631
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,880
keksburg case

1632
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,359
but i wondered if you are still looking

1633
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,520
into that and if there has been any new

1634
00:59:29,589 --> 00:59:27,760
developments into the famous kecksburg

1635
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:29,599
ufo crash

1636
00:59:33,510 --> 00:59:31,920
well unfortunately in more recent years

1637
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,520
you know many of the witnesses have

1638
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:35,680
passed away a lot of the other ones are

1639
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,160
way up in age now and uh so we're just

1640
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:39,680
unfortunately we're losing good

1641
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:41,839
reputable witnesses we're not hearing as

1642
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,240
much as we did but you know i was 16

1643
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:45,599
years old when the incident happened in

1644
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:48,400
1965 was documenting it as it was

1645
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:50,640
breaking on the pittsburgh area radio tv

1646
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:53,359
news that evening december 9th

1647
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,240
and

1648
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:56,480
over many many years

1649
01:00:00,549 --> 00:59:59,040
uh i interviewed i tracked out hundreds

1650
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,559
of people who are involved in the case

1651
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:02,400
and i have no doubt

1652
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:04,720
that an object of still undetermined

1653
01:00:08,950 --> 01:00:06,319
origin did fall from the sky new

1654
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,960
textbook in 1965 and was recovered by

1655
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:10,319
the military

1656
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:11,520
and

1657
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:13,520
you know we do hope that maybe someday

1658
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:15,839
we'll we'll really know the truth i've

1659
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,640
always kept an open mind about the case

1660
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,319
you know i said years ago years and

1661
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:22,880
years ago i said some of my ideas were

1662
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:24,240
that it could have been some very

1663
01:00:29,990 --> 01:00:26,839
advanced very advanced man-made space

1664
01:00:32,710 --> 01:00:30,000
probably control capability some type of

1665
01:00:34,309 --> 01:00:32,720
secret government military

1666
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,319
operations

1667
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:36,880
but i said i don't think we need we can

1668
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:38,880
completely dismiss the possibility that

1669
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:40,480
they could be something from out by the

1670
01:00:44,309 --> 01:00:41,280
earth

1671
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,319
and again we could talk for days and

1672
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:46,319
days about textbook and all the

1673
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,400
different encounters reporters and

1674
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:50,480
witnesses had that night out seeing the

1675
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:52,400
area around where the arctic film their

1676
01:00:56,950 --> 01:00:54,880
textbook there was no doubt that the

1677
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:56,960
military was there i mean there was

1678
01:01:02,069 --> 01:00:59,040
local newspaper accounts and national

1679
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:02,079
stories about it many reporters

1680
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:03,760
from the pittsburgh area came out

1681
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,160
themselves in that area that night from

1682
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,359
newspapers radio tv sign ups on military

1683
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:11,200
trucks other ones had

1684
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:13,119
flocked to military people

1685
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,440
and there's no doubt they were there

1686
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:17,040
and for the government to respond the

1687
01:01:21,109 --> 01:01:18,640
way they did they had to know there was

1688
01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:21,119
something important that came down and i

1689
01:01:24,470 --> 01:01:22,160
have

1690
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,480
independent military sources and others

1691
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,799
that confirmed to me that the arctic was

1692
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,720
taken out there around one o'clock in

1693
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,119
the morning the next day on a military

1694
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,520
flat tractor trailer to watford air

1695
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:36,000
force base near columbus ohio it stayed

1696
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,839
there under heavy security for a short

1697
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:39,520
time then continued on the wright

1698
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:41,359
patterson air force base

1699
01:01:46,630 --> 01:01:44,079
and uh it's an amazing story regardless

1700
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:46,640
of what it was it's very fascinating

1701
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:49,119
and for those unaware ray patterson is

1702
01:01:53,030 --> 01:01:50,000
where

1703
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:53,040
the foreign technology division is so

1704
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:54,319
anything

1705
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:56,559
foreign and some people i remember john

1706
01:02:02,710 --> 01:01:59,680
ventry and you having a debate about

1707
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:02,720
john venturi believes he he

1708
01:02:07,029 --> 01:02:05,039
i think somewhat arrogantly said no case

1709
01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,039
closed it was a soviet satellite that

1710
01:02:10,150 --> 01:02:08,960
came crashing down

1711
01:02:12,150 --> 01:02:10,160
but

1712
01:02:14,470 --> 01:02:12,160
a look at the trajectory and the times

1713
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:14,480
involved to me left me unconvinced that

1714
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,920
it was the soviet

1715
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:17,039
satellite

1716
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,839
though

1717
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:20,000
if it was a soviet satellite they would

1718
01:02:23,510 --> 01:02:21,760
have went and cordoned off the area

1719
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,520
collected it and sent it to wright

1720
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,599
patterson right

1721
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:27,680
oh sure we would have done that for sure

1722
01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:28,799
because we wanted to study that

1723
01:02:33,029 --> 01:02:31,760
technology actually john

1724
01:02:35,349 --> 01:02:33,039
his theory was there was something

1725
01:02:37,750 --> 01:02:35,359
called a ge mark ii re-entry vehicle if

1726
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:37,760
i recall an inter

1727
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,559
excuse me interestingly that he brought

1728
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,799
that out during the 50th anniversary of

1729
01:02:46,549 --> 01:02:44,559
the case as i remember

1730
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:46,559
but i also remember that i believe it

1731
01:02:51,430 --> 01:02:49,520
was three other different sources all

1732
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,440
came out with other theories on what the

1733
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,200
object was and they were all different

1734
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,960
so everybody can't be right everybody

1735
01:02:57,589 --> 01:02:56,880
believes they're right i can only tell

1736
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,599
you

1737
01:03:02,309 --> 01:02:59,359
there's there's there's so much of the

1738
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:02,319
story and there's certain details that i

1739
01:03:06,470 --> 01:03:04,000
still have not talked about so i have

1740
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,480
enough confirmation about but there's a

1741
01:03:10,390 --> 01:03:08,079
lot more to this and you got to remember

1742
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:10,400
whatever this object was

1743
01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:13,200
it was moving relatively slowly within

1744
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,359
miles before it fell

1745
01:03:18,390 --> 01:03:17,280
it came in from the greater pittsburgh

1746
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:18,400
area

1747
01:03:23,910 --> 01:03:19,280
out

1748
01:03:25,990 --> 01:03:23,920
around 30 east of town made a turn to

1749
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,000
the south yeah and that's nothing it

1750
01:03:31,190 --> 01:03:28,960
made a 90 it made 90 degree turns

1751
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:31,200
and many people described that it was it

1752
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,319
was

1753
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:34,000
it appeared to be under intelligent

1754
01:03:38,069 --> 01:03:35,039
control

1755
01:03:41,270 --> 01:03:38,079
so to me a crashing russian satellite

1756
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,280
wouldn't fit the bill here and also

1757
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,839
i you know i i try to pride myself that

1758
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,079
math is sometimes the answer you know

1759
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:47,839
people don't like math

1760
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:48,640
but

1761
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:50,880
if you look at the available data on

1762
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,760
this soviet satellite it appears to me

1763
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,760
that that would have crashed in canada

1764
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:57,119
it wouldn't have made its way all the

1765
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,559
way into the united states and

1766
01:04:03,190 --> 01:04:01,039
pennsylvania but that's based on my math

1767
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:03,200
and i'm not a rocket scientist but other

1768
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:05,039
people have concurred and agreed with me

1769
01:04:09,430 --> 01:04:06,480
on that

1770
01:04:11,990 --> 01:04:09,440
so you know do you think that that

1771
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,000
that it being a russian satellite is is

1772
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,920
can you really uh

1773
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,839
can we take that out as a possible

1774
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:18,000
explanation in your mind

1775
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,079
yeah there's just been some very good

1776
01:04:24,549 --> 01:04:22,720
articles been written on the internet

1777
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:24,559
that you can find about this rewinders

1778
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,119
and the iur that leslie kane wrote about

1779
01:04:29,589 --> 01:04:28,720
when she did her investigation into the

1780
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:29,599
case

1781
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:31,680
uh you can still find it i'm sure if you

1782
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:33,200
go to google

1783
01:04:36,789 --> 01:04:34,720
and um

1784
01:04:39,750 --> 01:04:36,799
anyhow there's a lot of data that was

1785
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:39,760
cosmos 96 and we the interesting thing

1786
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:42,559
is happens here about 3 18 a.m in the

1787
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,119
morning on the same date but this

1788
01:04:49,910 --> 01:04:47,760
incident of the of the fall was about 4

1789
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:49,920
47 in the afternoon

1790
01:04:53,910 --> 01:04:52,079
uh that afternoon and there's a lot of

1791
01:04:56,309 --> 01:04:53,920
new data in more recent years has come

1792
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:56,319
out which pretty much eliminates cosmos

1793
01:04:59,670 --> 01:04:58,000
96

1794
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,680
yeah i would tend to agree with you that

1795
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,280
was my

1796
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,599
when i was when i was first really

1797
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:05,520
reading and digesting everything i could

1798
01:05:10,710 --> 01:05:08,000
on the case my my best explanation was

1799
01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:10,720
the cosmos 96 but it's so it felt like

1800
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,359
the further i i got into the story the

1801
01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:15,680
more i couldn't believe that anymore

1802
01:05:19,829 --> 01:05:17,599
and it's interesting i'm showing images

1803
01:05:21,910 --> 01:05:19,839
of the of the recreation of the

1804
01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:21,920
acorn-shaped craft you said it was about

1805
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:24,960
the size of a volkswagen beetle correct

1806
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,880
well witnesses who saw it at the

1807
01:05:29,670 --> 01:05:28,000
distance

1808
01:05:31,750 --> 01:05:29,680
said on the truck it looked like about

1809
01:05:33,589 --> 01:05:31,760
the size of volkswagen

1810
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:33,599
some of the local residents who saw that

1811
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,200
they could fall into the woods that

1812
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,280
happened that afternoon went down right

1813
01:05:41,910 --> 01:05:39,520
after they saw it and they found this

1814
01:05:43,750 --> 01:05:41,920
large metallic acorn shaped object kind

1815
01:05:45,510 --> 01:05:43,760
of an awkward bronze color

1816
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:45,520
about the 10 to 12 feet blank about

1817
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:46,880
eight to ten feet and i am and they're

1818
01:05:59,430 --> 01:05:56,789
yeah very very interesting and other

1819
01:06:00,789 --> 01:05:59,440
people have you know the this expert one

1820
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,799
of the reasons that kecksburg is so

1821
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,720
interesting to me is because when you

1822
01:06:06,549 --> 01:06:04,480
start going down the rabbit hole

1823
01:06:09,109 --> 01:06:06,559
the rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper

1824
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,119
so other people have suggested

1825
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:11,760
that that this object bore some

1826
01:06:18,150 --> 01:06:14,559
resemblance and had something to do with

1827
01:06:20,470 --> 01:06:18,160
the nazi bell project the glocka which

1828
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,480
was supposedly some kind of anti-gravity

1829
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:22,559
or time travel experiment the nazis were

1830
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:25,280
doing in the early in the late 1930s

1831
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:27,280
early 1940s

1832
01:06:30,390 --> 01:06:29,280
and i even heard an account of somebody

1833
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:30,400
claiming

1834
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,960
that uh somebody with a nazi uniform got

1835
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:34,640
out of the kecksburg

1836
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:36,559
uh capsule here

1837
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,880
you know what have you heard about this

1838
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,119
part of the story and do you find it at

1839
01:06:46,549 --> 01:06:43,280
all credible because mostly i don't find

1840
01:06:48,710 --> 01:06:46,559
that part of the story credible i cannot

1841
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,720
retire them in numerous theories from

1842
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:50,799
the time it happens one of them of

1843
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,599
course was to go on i've never seen any

1844
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:55,200
evidence of any connection between the

1845
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,960
two i've really never seen the evidence

1846
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:58,799
that the clock became an actual working

1847
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:01,359
project yeah me neither um

1848
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,839
i keep an open mind all possibilities

1849
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:05,760
but i've never seen anything that would

1850
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,520
indicate that

1851
01:07:12,230 --> 01:07:09,680
yeah i think sometimes people take an

1852
01:07:13,109 --> 01:07:12,240
existing story and they add to it

1853
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,119
right

1854
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:15,359
and and you know

1855
01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:17,599
but the the one thing i will say is that

1856
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,839
if you look up the nazi bell and you

1857
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:21,599
look at the kecksburg

1858
01:07:24,950 --> 01:07:24,079
um like the recreation

1859
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:24,960
um

1860
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:27,440
you know it's it's pretty similar you

1861
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,520
know it looks cool it looks close

1862
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:31,200
they're both acorn kind of shaped

1863
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:32,799
objects

1864
01:07:35,990 --> 01:07:34,480
so i guess i can understand why people

1865
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:36,000
would make the connection but i find

1866
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:39,200
most of the stories of the nazi ufos and

1867
01:07:44,069 --> 01:07:41,359
ufo programs to be

1868
01:07:45,990 --> 01:07:44,079
sensationalized stuff that was really

1869
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:46,000
created after the war

1870
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:48,880
um by tabloid newspapers just like we

1871
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:51,039
have a national enquirer there's tabloid

1872
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,799
newspapers in england that were claiming

1873
01:07:57,349 --> 01:07:54,480
that the nazis had

1874
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,359
the honey boo and the glocka and flying

1875
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:59,200
saucers and

1876
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:00,240
but

1877
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:01,280
there's no

1878
01:08:05,109 --> 01:08:03,039
physical evidence that these things were

1879
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,119
ever real they're cool though i love the

1880
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,520
nazi flying saucers like a honey boo and

1881
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:09,520
i've got models of these

1882
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,119
but i don't know that they were ever

1883
01:08:15,270 --> 01:08:13,440
real you know

1884
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:15,280
one of the witnesses that night who

1885
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,880
stood only a few feet away from the

1886
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:18,319
object

1887
01:08:22,309 --> 01:08:20,239
most of his life he worked as a

1888
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:22,319
machinist

1889
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,520
he said

1890
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,520
this thing looked like somebody took a

1891
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,000
liquid metal and put it into an acorn

1892
01:08:33,430 --> 01:08:30,799
shaped mold it was one solid piece no

1893
01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:33,440
separation yeah so it had no rivets it

1894
01:08:55,590 --> 01:08:53,349
in any type of writing and luckily he

1895
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,600
got his background he was somewhat

1896
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:58,239
familiar with cyrillic he knew that that

1897
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,960
was not what it was

1898
01:09:04,709 --> 01:09:02,799
so that's interesting and

1899
01:09:07,829 --> 01:09:04,719
the most people theorized that the

1900
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,839
writing on this textbook crashed object

1901
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:09,839
whatever it was was some kind of alien

1902
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,799
symbols or alien language

1903
01:09:15,990 --> 01:09:15,040
well again only if you thought that

1904
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:16,000
close

1905
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,080
the only member from memory and

1906
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,239
unfortunately one of the main witness

1907
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:22,480
passed away several months ago

1908
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:25,120
and um he could only remember years

1909
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,719
later from memory

1910
01:09:30,149 --> 01:09:28,719
and uh but he said from what he

1911
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,159
remembered and over here when the

1912
01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:31,920
library is looking up ancient rape you

1913
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,829
yeah that's very interesting

1914
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:41,359
very very interesting and the last time

1915
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:43,759
i talked to you you seemed to

1916
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,279
be

1917
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,520
talking to some sort of new witness that

1918
01:09:49,749 --> 01:09:48,960
claimed that he

1919
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,759
um

1920
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:51,520
there was something to do with ceramic

1921
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,199
bricks or something like that right that

1922
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:56,000
he took to the base or uh the nearby

1923
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:57,520
military base can you tell us a little

1924
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:59,120
bit about that and that witnesses

1925
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:00,719
testimony about

1926
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:03,760
his involvement with this case

1927
01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:07,199
that was many years ago that was back to

1928
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:09,679
1990 when we did the season premiere for

1929
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,360
unsolved mysteries on this case that was

1930
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,000
the first big national exposure on this

1931
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,080
incident it was done quite well and

1932
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,400
there were multitudes of people that

1933
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:20,480
contacted me with information afterwards

1934
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,880
somewhere local people who had never

1935
01:10:26,630 --> 01:10:24,560
come forward some were people using

1936
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:26,640
luminous areas moved away there were

1937
01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:45,350
houston ohio he was a truck driver and

1938
01:10:49,270 --> 01:10:47,760
he said he said i saw him on the tv i

1939
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:49,280
see he said i guess i'm allowed to talk

1940
01:10:53,430 --> 01:10:51,120
about him now that has been out of

1941
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:53,440
public he went on to tell me that he

1942
01:10:59,110 --> 01:10:55,840
worked for this large

1943
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:59,120
supply house in ohio and that a military

1944
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,280
officer come to that office i think he

1945
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:03,120
said two or three days after the kexpert

1946
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,400
incident and ordered this large supply

1947
01:11:10,229 --> 01:11:08,640
of a special type of glazed engineering

1948
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:10,239
brick to be taken to wright patterson

1949
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:14,719
air force base and um so anyhow what i

1950
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:16,400
found out later there was another truck

1951
01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:18,000
driver involved and for a long time he

1952
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:19,360
didn't want to publicly he didn't want

1953
01:11:23,189 --> 01:11:20,960
to talk to us about but then he finally

1954
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,199
did he confirmed the story

1955
01:11:28,149 --> 01:11:25,600
so that other truck driver

1956
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:28,159
uh was escorted to wright patterson

1957
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:29,840
told to do his job

1958
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:32,159
and uh when he got there the first thing

1959
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:34,960
by himself he saw the agnostic

1960
01:11:39,350 --> 01:11:37,600
flatbed trailer with the tarps object

1961
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:39,360
outside this building

1962
01:11:43,430 --> 01:11:41,440
when he and myron went there the next

1963
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:43,440
day

1964
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,280
the flat controller was there with the

1965
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:47,199
trump lane over but the object was not

1966
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:48,000
there

1967
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:49,520
like myron

1968
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
he they have two trucks now i'm loving

1969
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:52,960
all these bricks

1970
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:54,640
and he sees these guys whose white

1971
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:56,800
coveralls with sidearms and crew how he

1972
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,480
changed their outer clothing

1973
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:01,040
and and at one point he didn't see

1974
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:02,960
anybody around he went and snuck in the

1975
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,440
building and he's up on scalping this

1976
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:07,840
large metallic acorn shaped object with

1977
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,560
a lot of symbols around there's ladders

1978
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:12,560
on it these guys are climbing up and the

1979
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,480
county can't open this thing up

1980
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,320
apparently at one point they realized he

1981
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:18,239
didn't have proper clearance it was

1982
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,560
pretty he was threatened and he was told

1983
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:22,320
that if you talk about what you saw will

1984
01:12:26,390 --> 01:12:24,159
throw away the key

1985
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,400
yeah and which is a throw away to keep

1986
01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:28,640
but in 20 years has to all be public

1987
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,000
knowledge which of course that didn't

1988
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:32,080
happen so that's that's the shorter part

1989
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,520
of the story

1990
01:12:37,350 --> 01:12:35,600
yeah pretty interesting pretty

1991
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,360
interesting part of the story though

1992
01:12:40,310 --> 01:12:38,880
it's a shame that guy passed away i'd

1993
01:12:41,430 --> 01:12:40,320
really love to talk to him and get more

1994
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:41,440
detail

1995
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,560
about his

1996
01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:44,960
possible sighting of it so but it's

1997
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:47,040
still amazing mystery to this day it's

1998
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,120
one of my favorite stories mostly

1999
01:12:53,189 --> 01:12:50,719
because it happened in pennsylvania and

2000
01:12:54,870 --> 01:12:53,199
i've been i drove to that town

2001
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:54,880
and you know it's a just kind of a

2002
01:13:03,030 --> 01:12:58,080
strange uh you know sleepy

2003
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:05,750
the way it is yeah and uh but there was

2004
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:07,440
a lot of incredible people who were

2005
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:09,199
involved that night not just from texas

2006
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:10,800
but people came in from over this part

2007
01:13:15,510 --> 01:13:12,800
of pennsylvania after hearing all the

2008
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:15,520
news about a ufo landing in gettysburg

2009
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:17,199
so people came in and a lot of that

2010
01:13:20,790 --> 01:13:18,560
experiences and

2011
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:20,800
and uh you know so many of these people

2012
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:23,440
are now going what i did years ago you

2013
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,719
may have seen it i produced a

2014
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:26,400
documentary on it called textbook the

2015
01:13:31,590 --> 01:13:28,000
unfold story which is still out there on

2016
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:31,600
dvd and the reason i did was to

2017
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,760
preserve these people's testimonies for

2018
01:13:38,390 --> 01:13:36,239
history and i'm glad i did because now

2019
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,400
many of those people are now on and they

2020
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,320
were able to give a great detailed

2021
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:41,600
account of what they experienced that

2022
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:43,600
day in 1965

2023
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:44,800
and

2024
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:47,280
there's no doubt again something fell

2025
01:13:51,430 --> 01:13:49,679
the military covered it or what it was

2026
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:51,440
well maybe someday we'll have a free

2027
01:13:55,110 --> 01:13:52,880
answer

2028
01:13:56,790 --> 01:13:55,120
yeah yeah and i hope we get to it soon

2029
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:56,800
because i've been following this mystery

2030
01:14:00,310 --> 01:13:58,400
since i first heard about it probably

2031
01:14:01,990 --> 01:14:00,320
when i was a kid you know like it was in

2032
01:14:03,750 --> 01:14:02,000
a it was in a ufo book but there was

2033
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,760
just like a one page

2034
01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:05,840
mention of it and description of it or

2035
01:14:10,950 --> 01:14:08,080
maybe two or three pages of some larger

2036
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:10,960
ufo book well i i did hear you say that

2037
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:13,840
you've got a you got a skedaddle so i i

2038
01:14:17,990 --> 01:14:15,920
appreciate you taking the time

2039
01:14:19,510 --> 01:14:18,000
uh and and i'm glad that we could

2040
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,520
welcome you here on our new show you

2041
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:21,440
know i got a much bigger bullhorn nail

2042
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:24,000
here stan and and part of that

2043
01:14:28,070 --> 01:14:25,600
reason for that is because people like

2044
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,080
you helped me when i started to start

2045
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,440
doing this kind of a show so i'm in your

2046
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:33,600
i'm in your debt thank you for always

2047
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:36,239
being willing to uh give me a hand to

2048
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,470
you had me back subjects i'm glad your

2049
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:44,640
show's good well uh people go to my

2050
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:47,440
website which is stan gordon dot info

2051
01:14:51,030 --> 01:14:49,040
and you'll find a lot of fascinating

2052
01:14:52,950 --> 01:14:51,040
stories and more recent reports on there

2053
01:14:55,270 --> 01:14:52,960
as well with all kind of stuff with

2054
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,280
different questions all kind of

2055
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,840
incidents on there and my books are

2056
01:15:02,470 --> 01:15:00,159
available by the way on amazon.com at

2057
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,480
barneslenova.com and they have a lot of

2058
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:04,480
really amazing well-documented cases

2059
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:06,719
from pennsylvania yeah just put stan

2060
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:08,480
gordon's name in either google and

2061
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:10,159
you'll find his website it's what's one

2062
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,679
of the first search results that comes

2063
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:13,440
up or if you're looking for his books i

2064
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:15,040
highly encourage you go to amazon or

2065
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:16,960
barnes noble and just put his name stan

2066
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,360
gordon g-o-r-d-o-n

2067
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:21,600
in the search bar and all of his books

2068
01:15:26,709 --> 01:15:24,480
uh pop up he's been at this for 60 plus

2069
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:26,719
years congratulations six decades of

2070
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:28,320
doing this

2071
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:39,030
yeah well i hope you'll come back again

2072
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,800
and talk about some other mysteries with

2073
01:15:44,550 --> 01:15:42,080
us and i want to thank you once again

2074
01:15:45,750 --> 01:15:44,560
for doing this you have a great evening

2075
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:45,760
all right thanks for having me i

2076
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,600
appreciate it all right thanks stan i

2077
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,480
hope we talk again soon good night

2078
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,960
hi all right thanks mr gordon wow what a

2079
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,719
great interview friends

2080
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,400
uh yeah

2081
01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:58,560
mr gordon is like the first guy that i

2082
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:01,360
ever interviewed uh when i started this

2083
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,239
crazy journey uh not many people were

2084
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,080
returning my calls they would say what

2085
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:08,960
shall you know because nobody knew

2086
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,080
um who i was and nobody really cared to

2087
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:14,800
uh to help me do a show when i had no

2088
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:16,000
audience

2089
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,640
um so i just want to recognize mr gordon

2090
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:20,239
for that because he was great he was

2091
01:16:24,229 --> 01:16:21,600
just like sure what time do you want to

2092
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,239
do it what are we talking about and i

2093
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,120
told him

2094
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:26,640
that we would do a whole show just on

2095
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,800
techsburg and we did and that's

2096
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:30,640
available right now on this channel it's

2097
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:32,640
the first midnight hour episode so

2098
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:35,280
please do uh if you're not already a

2099
01:16:39,669 --> 01:16:37,360
subscriber hit that subscribe button hit

2100
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:39,679
that notification bell and you'll you'll

2101
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:41,280
know about new shows and you can come

2102
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,440
here with uh

2103
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:45,280
when we do the live shows you can ask

2104
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,199
questions uh offer comments or

2105
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:52,080
interact with us through the live chat

2106
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,320
uh and also the original

2107
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:55,920
interview that i did with him on the

2108
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,159
kecksburg ufo crash you may have some

2109
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,480
interest in that he has been following

2110
01:17:05,189 --> 01:17:03,199
that story since he was a child he heard

2111
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:05,199
the local reports that happened in the

2112
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:07,280
area he grew up in

2113
01:17:12,229 --> 01:17:09,440
or very nearby so he heard the local

2114
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,239
reports on the radio

2115
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:14,239
and he started following the story he

2116
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:16,159
started collecting newspaper clippings

2117
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,480
of the story even as a child and to this

2118
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,560
day

2119
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,480
it's just amazing to me that he started

2120
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:24,800
looking into that story or having an

2121
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,000
interest in it

2122
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:29,199
right as a child and to this day

2123
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,440
mr gordon is recognized as perhaps the

2124
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,320
world's leading expert on the kecksburg

2125
01:17:38,550 --> 01:17:37,199
ufo crash

2126
01:17:41,669 --> 01:17:38,560
so i encourage you to check out his

2127
01:17:43,590 --> 01:17:41,679
website at stan gordon dot info

2128
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,600
and if you're interested in his books

2129
01:17:47,350 --> 01:17:45,440
which i believe are very well researched

2130
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,360
and very well written you know i know

2131
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:49,120
there was some chatter in the live chat

2132
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:50,320
but you know there's always some

2133
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,560
negative person um you know saying oh

2134
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:54,880
where's the evidence uh there's evidence

2135
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,719
in the books i've got a couple of his

2136
01:17:59,750 --> 01:17:57,600
books

2137
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,760
uh sometimes he's got pictures they show

2138
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:02,159
casts of the bigfoot creatures

2139
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,880
um you know this is an elusive subject

2140
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:07,120
and if it was as easy as just you know

2141
01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:10,000
making films um everybody would have the

2142
01:18:14,709 --> 01:18:13,120
evidence already um

2143
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,719
you know but i do

2144
01:18:19,590 --> 01:18:16,800
i just want to mention that we're always

2145
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:19,600
respectful of guests here so uh you know

2146
01:18:23,590 --> 01:18:21,679
if uh if you have questions or comments

2147
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:23,600
for a guest even if you're skeptical of

2148
01:18:28,310 --> 01:18:26,480
their stories that's perfectly fine but

2149
01:18:31,590 --> 01:18:28,320
you know calling a guy a liar because

2150
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,600
he's here offering his time volunteering

2151
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:33,679
you know we don't pay any guests here

2152
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:35,199
um so all the guests are volunteers we

2153
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:37,520
want to be very respectful to them he's

2154
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,870
he's here recounting his own experiences

2155
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:47,679
and

2156
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:50,719
you know uh recounting

2157
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,000
stories

2158
01:18:56,229 --> 01:18:53,920
that he has taken part in taking

2159
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,239
people's testimony about what they've

2160
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:58,480
experienced so colin malia is a little

2161
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,280
off base you know more than a little uh

2162
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:03,199
i don't know maybe it's just me but i i

2163
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:05,040
you know i got a i got a lot of respect

2164
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,800
for mr gordon and i would hope that all

2165
01:19:09,910 --> 01:19:08,480
members of the live chat would at least

2166
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,920
be respectful

2167
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:11,520
pix is here asking did you see the

2168
01:19:15,430 --> 01:19:14,080
latest on dodie and anjali disputing

2169
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:15,440
each other on

2170
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:19,440
angeli's time in intel no i haven't um

2171
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:20,880
but i'll

2172
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:22,480
catch up on that when i get a chance

2173
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,910
uh so i'm going to dedicate i saw an old

2174
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:32,080
friend here in the live chat so i just

2175
01:19:38,229 --> 01:19:34,640
want to uh say hello to them

2176
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,239
shout out they know who they are um

2177
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:40,239
boy went on some adventures with that

2178
01:19:42,950 --> 01:19:41,120
guy

2179
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,960
and it's funny how sometimes old friends

2180
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:44,800
find me here through the show and they

2181
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,840
show up in the audience going i i i

2182
01:19:51,350 --> 01:19:49,199
didn't know you're doing a show like

2183
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,360
this this is cool and so

2184
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,960
yeah thanks to all those old friends who

2185
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,880
somehow find me through the wonders of

2186
01:19:59,430 --> 01:19:56,560
the interwebs

2187
01:20:01,110 --> 01:19:59,440
and uh you know uh

2188
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,120
catch up you know

2189
01:20:04,870 --> 01:20:02,880
um

2190
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,880
it's always fun to see that and picks

2191
01:20:07,430 --> 01:20:06,239
agreeing

2192
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,440
you know

2193
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:10,560
that it's a crazy time when pix agrees

2194
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,960
with me saying stan gordon deserves our

2195
01:20:19,270 --> 01:20:15,120
respect the man's been investigating

2196
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,280
ufos aliens you you know bigfoot dog men

2197
01:20:24,149 --> 01:20:21,760
shadow creatures

2198
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:24,159
you know black panther sightings and

2199
01:20:29,510 --> 01:20:28,159
cryptic creatures for 60 plus years

2200
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:29,520
so to me

2201
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:33,520
that alone is worthy of respect right

2202
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:34,800
andy

2203
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:38,719
porthier says dodie and angeli jebus too

2204
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:42,239
bizarre ufo land is bonkers yeah yeah

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absolutely it is

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01:20:48,310 --> 01:20:46,880
so i i was i wasn't paying quite close

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01:20:49,910 --> 01:20:48,320
attention and i'm not sure if there's

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01:20:51,110 --> 01:20:49,920
any super chats but i'm going to check

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on the mail

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01:20:55,350 --> 01:20:53,520
um for those that don't know

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01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,360
this is a viewer supported show and if

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01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:57,120
you want to support the show the best

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01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,040
way that you can do it is to throw money

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01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,840
at me you'll see a little cash

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01:21:04,709 --> 01:21:03,440
button down there in the live chat you

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01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:04,719
just hit that

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01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:06,719
and put in however much money you want

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01:21:09,430 --> 01:21:08,000
to send us you may have to put in a

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01:21:10,870 --> 01:21:09,440
credit or demo card if it's the first

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01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:10,880
time you've ever sent a super chat but

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01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,040
it's very easy and then you can throw

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01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:14,880
money at us um

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01:21:19,669 --> 01:21:17,440
we call out we read every single super

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01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:19,679
chat every single night

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01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:22,719
uh and we read and thank every single

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01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,239
person that sends a super chat none

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01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:25,920
tonight so if anybody wants to get them

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01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:28,080
in we'll be wrapping things up shortly

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01:21:31,750 --> 01:21:30,239
please do so shortly

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01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:31,760
otherwise we're going to wrap things up

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01:21:36,310 --> 01:21:34,639
here and call it a quick one um

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01:21:37,750 --> 01:21:36,320
i uh

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01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:37,760
i didn't give him a time for the

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01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:40,560
interview so you know honestly when i

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01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,080
have somebody that's a great guest like

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01:21:46,390 --> 01:21:44,080
him i just let them decide if he's got

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01:21:47,910 --> 01:21:46,400
an hour and or an hour and 15 minutes to

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01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:47,920
give us them great that's how long the

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01:21:53,350 --> 01:21:50,400
interview was going to be

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rockstar 8970 abel says well it was fun

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01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:55,600
yeah i i agree with you

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01:21:58,790 --> 01:21:56,400
uh

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01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:58,800
always i always loved talking about that

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01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,040
talking to stan and uh instead of

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01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:03,040
catching up offline i thought we would

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01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:05,280
just do it right online

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01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,709
yes patrick sheehan uh

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01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,520
offering a very uh astute observation

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01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:15,280
saying stan gordon has never tried

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01:22:18,709 --> 01:22:17,840
purpose to purposefully fool anyone no

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01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:18,719
he just

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01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,560
goes down investigates and then he tells

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01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,480
people what what people said or what he

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01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,400
found or what their experience was like

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01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:26,719
i don't find any problem with that

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01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:28,960
whatsoever uh

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01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:30,080
you know

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01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,000
i i don't consider him in the same class

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01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:35,120
as any of the uh ufo hucksters or

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01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,440
bigfoot hucksters

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01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:39,280
and if you do get his books it's he's a

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01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,760
lot more matter of fact in the books

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01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:44,159
and uh you know

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01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,520
dates times people he talked to

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01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:48,880
witnesses

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01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:50,560
if there's any evidence if there's an

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01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:53,199
inclusion of that right

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01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,199
stacy bdf is here and says great show as

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01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:58,800
always have a good night all yeah i uh

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01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:00,960
thank you for your kind uh kind words

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01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:09,350
martin wright says old friends are fun

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01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:11,600
they know how mad you are yeah and they

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01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:13,199
know the history of some of the crazy

2274
01:23:17,189 --> 01:23:14,800
other stuff you did before you're what

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01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:17,199
you're doing now right so uh they're

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01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,239
good

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01:23:22,790 --> 01:23:19,920
the old friends are the best friends

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01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:22,800
right and unfortunately nobody tells you

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01:23:25,750 --> 01:23:24,400
that the further you get in life the

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01:23:28,229 --> 01:23:25,760
less old friends that you're going to

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01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:28,239
have i mean things happen first of all

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01:23:31,510 --> 01:23:29,600
people die

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01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:31,520
uh second of all

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01:23:34,790 --> 01:23:33,120
you know

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01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,800
especially a lot of my old

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01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,400
friends that i grew up with male friends

2287
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:38,719
like you know you get a wife and kids

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01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,280
and and a job and you're busy and you

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01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:43,120
just don't have time

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01:23:47,990 --> 01:23:44,880
you know i remember when i was

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01:23:49,910 --> 01:23:48,000
a teenager you'd spend like 80 hours a

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01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:49,920
week just hanging out with my friends

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01:23:53,669 --> 01:23:51,840
doing different stuff and you just don't

2294
01:23:55,750 --> 01:23:53,679
have that kind of time the older that

2295
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:55,760
you get but it's always good to catch up

2296
01:24:00,470 --> 01:23:58,880
with some uh with some old friends

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01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,480
patrick sheehan with a kind and generous

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01:24:04,470 --> 01:24:02,800
499 super sticker long time supporter of

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01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,480
the show thank you for your continued

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01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,080
support of the show

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01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,120
uh this is a viewer supported show

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01:24:13,110 --> 01:24:11,360
so uh one of the best ways to support me

2303
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,120
is to hit that super chat button down

2304
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:16,560
there and throw some money in our hat it

2305
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,239
really does help us to keep the show

2306
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:19,679
going you can also become a patreon

2307
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,040
supporter for as little as a dollar a

2308
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,840
month or send me a paypal donation i

2309
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,679
have not checked the paypal donations in

2310
01:24:29,430 --> 01:24:27,840
a while so i'm going to do that

2311
01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,440
and we'll see

2312
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,159
we read every single donation sent to us

2313
01:24:36,790 --> 01:24:35,280
we read and we thank everybody

2314
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,800
so

2315
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:38,719
i'm looking at the paypal donations and

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01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,440
no new paypal donations since november

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01:24:45,110 --> 01:24:43,360
10th but that's quite a right

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01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:45,120
um i want to thank everybody who has

2319
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:46,639
been kind and generous enough to send a

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01:24:52,270 --> 01:24:48,880
paypal donation in the past

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01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:52,280
i really do appreciate it and sally van

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01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,840
dijkvord

2323
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,440
says thanks for your hard work well

2324
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:57,120
thank you sally and i appreciate your

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01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:58,880
kindness your generosity and your

2326
01:25:02,229 --> 01:24:59,920
support

2327
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:02,239
uh it really does help us i

2328
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,920
can't tell you how happy it makes me

2329
01:25:07,510 --> 01:25:04,960
that there is

2330
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,520
people all over the world that send that

2331
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,679
throw a few bucks in the hat and for

2332
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:12,000
those that don't know there's something

2333
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,960
in performing circles called busking

2334
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,040
and what busking is you may have seen it

2335
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,280
is being a street performer you stand on

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01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:21,760
a corner you put a hat in front of you

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01:25:25,510 --> 01:25:24,000
and you do your thing and people walking

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01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,520
by if they like what you're doing can

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01:25:29,990 --> 01:25:28,000
throw a couple of bucks in your hat or

2340
01:25:31,990 --> 01:25:30,000
i've seen guitar players they put the

2341
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:32,000
guitar case they open that up in front

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01:25:37,110 --> 01:25:34,480
of them and people and they play guitar

2343
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,120
and if people like what they're doing

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01:25:41,590 --> 01:25:38,719
uh they

2345
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,600
will throw a couple bucks in the hat now

2346
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,360
i remember my first experience with

2347
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,080
busking was that i got a little

2348
01:25:50,709 --> 01:25:48,560
casio keyboard it was like this big it

2349
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,719
was tiny it was like the cheapest one

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01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:52,320
that my dad could get because he was

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01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:54,159
cheap

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01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,560
and uh i learned how to play that pretty

2353
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,639
well for a little cheap keyboard it was

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01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:59,600
the first

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01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:01,360
keyboard i had we didn't have a piano in

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01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,199
her house or anything like that or i

2357
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:04,800
didn't have access to a piano so all i

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01:26:09,350 --> 01:26:06,560
had was this little

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01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,360
you know 12 inch long or maybe a little

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01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,840
longer i don't know casio keyboard

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01:26:13,830 --> 01:26:13,120
um

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01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:13,840
and

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01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:15,760
i asked my dad after i learned to play

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01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,679
it pretty good i said there's not enough

2365
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:19,520
keys on here to play some of the songs

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01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:21,040
that i'm trying to learn

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01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:22,400
because it's so small

2368
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,679
i need a full-size keyboard you know

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01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:28,239
a full-size with you know

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01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,440
88 keys my dad's like 88 keys

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01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:33,040
you don't need that and i'm like yes i

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01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,440
do anyway we disagreed so my dad said

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01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,679
well uh you know if you could figure out

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01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:39,600
how to earn half the money i'll we'll

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01:26:43,590 --> 01:26:42,239
buy it so i went to the philadelphia

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01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:43,600
riverfront

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01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:45,120
and i'll never forget this i was so

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01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:46,159
nervous

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01:26:51,350 --> 01:26:49,360
and i got extra batteries

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01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:51,360
and i don't know it must have been a

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01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:53,840
pre-high school and i just sat there at

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01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:55,920
the riverfront which was a tourist area

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01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:57,280
there's lots of people there and i put a

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01:27:01,910 --> 01:26:59,760
hat out and before you knew it i had

2385
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,920
earned not only half the money to buy a

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01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,480
full-size keyboard i earned all the

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01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:06,239
money to buy a full-size keyboard put a

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01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,880
little sign out that said

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01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,360
i want to earn a better keyboard i need

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01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:13,280
a bigger keyboard to play

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01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,639
better songs

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01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:17,040
and people come by and talk to me and i

2393
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:18,400
would take breaks but i would go down

2394
01:27:20,709 --> 01:27:19,840
there and i would just sit there and

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01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,719
play

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01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:22,320
piano songs

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01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,920
the only songs that i could play like

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01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:25,760
chop suey and a bunch of other crappy

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01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,800
songs green sleeves

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01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,480
even a polka song

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01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,880
that my dad taught me anyway

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01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,760
um

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01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:35,600
i learned then that

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01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:38,320
if you're a guy that is that is really

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01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,440
trying

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01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:41,199
people don't mind

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01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:44,159
don't mind throwing a couple of bucks in

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01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:45,199
your hat

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01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:46,320
when you're trying to do something

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01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,440
creative

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01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:50,400
and following a dream and i'm happy to

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01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:52,000
say that i bought a better keyboard and

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01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:54,080
that started me on a whole path of

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01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:55,840
becoming a musician

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01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,480
um that little tiny one was terrible

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01:28:03,750 --> 01:28:00,880
but you know i got a bigger you know a

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01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:03,760
decent one it was still pretty cheap

2418
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:05,760
and years later would buy a better one

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01:28:08,629 --> 01:28:07,199
and a better one and a better one and

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01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,639
that would lead to a lifelong

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01:28:12,870 --> 01:28:10,880
fascination with very expensive

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01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,880
keyboards and synthesizers that is with

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01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,560
me to today

2424
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:16,800
but luckily thanks to um software

2425
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,040
plug-ins i i don't have to spend that

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01:28:23,270 --> 01:28:21,679
kind of money right

2427
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:23,280
my right mentioning can't donate every

2428
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,880
week but when i can stephen you're the

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01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,920
best no

2430
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,560
listen don't ever feel like i don't want

2431
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,400
anybody ever feel obligated because

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01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:32,560
there is another way that you can help

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01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,639
the show and i see people doing it and

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01:28:38,149 --> 01:28:36,320
here's the other best way that you can

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01:28:40,790 --> 01:28:38,159
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01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,760
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01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:03,920
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01:29:26,070 --> 01:29:24,320
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01:29:28,149 --> 01:29:26,080
much help as throwing us a couple of

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01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:28,159
bucks money isn't everything and i

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01:29:32,470 --> 01:29:30,400
realize brother can you spare a dollar

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01:29:34,390 --> 01:29:32,480
it's rough out there so if you can't

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01:29:36,149 --> 01:29:34,400
spare a dollar that's the other best way

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01:29:37,990 --> 01:29:36,159
you can help us also i just want to

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01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:38,000
remind anybody listening in audio

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01:29:41,830 --> 01:29:39,520
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01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:41,840
um you're missing half the fun

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live chats and record the shows live a

2475
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:06,080
big part of our show here is the live

2476
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,280
interaction

2477
01:30:11,990 --> 01:30:09,120
it's truth seekers

2478
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,000
plural i cannot do the show alone i need

2479
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:13,920
you guys to come with me

2480
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:16,639
and ask some of these guests these great

2481
01:30:22,390 --> 01:30:19,520
questions that people offer or uh add

2482
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:22,400
your comments let us know

2483
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:24,480
we love the interactivity here and i

2484
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:26,960
believe you will too we've got a great

2485
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,000
uh bunch of people in chat here

2486
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:32,800
um and it really

2487
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:35,920
would be fun for us to have you as well

2488
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:37,600
you are most welcome whether you're a

2489
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,159
skeptic a believer uh we'd like to have

2490
01:30:43,990 --> 01:30:42,400
a big tent here where everybody is

2491
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:44,000
welcome all we ask is that you'd be

2492
01:30:48,310 --> 01:30:45,920
respectful in the live chat

2493
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,320
uh and try no cursing youtube doesn't

2494
01:30:51,910 --> 01:30:50,400
like it in the live chat figure out

2495
01:30:55,510 --> 01:30:51,920
another way to say what you're gonna say

2496
01:30:57,830 --> 01:30:55,520
that's fine uh we want you here with us

2497
01:30:59,910 --> 01:30:57,840
we want to grow our tent we want you

2498
01:31:01,910 --> 01:30:59,920
skeptics you believers and all you

2499
01:31:03,910 --> 01:31:01,920
people in between if you're an

2500
01:31:06,790 --> 01:31:03,920
experiencer if you've had a strange

2501
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:06,800
paranormal event or experience you can

2502
01:31:10,790 --> 01:31:09,280
email me at truthseeker show at you at

2503
01:31:12,790 --> 01:31:10,800
gmail.com

2504
01:31:14,470 --> 01:31:12,800
you can come here and join our live chat

2505
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:14,480
discussions

2506
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,000
and um you are most welcome so please

2507
01:31:23,910 --> 01:31:20,880
don't hesitate to come here and

2508
01:31:25,750 --> 01:31:23,920
be a part of truth seekers it's it's a

2509
01:31:27,510 --> 01:31:25,760
community here you can also join our

2510
01:31:29,990 --> 01:31:27,520
discord there is links in the

2511
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:30,000
description so the live chats don't end

2512
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,560
when the live show ends anymore we have

2513
01:31:38,229 --> 01:31:34,960
a discord that you can join and

2514
01:31:40,950 --> 01:31:38,239
you can chat with truth seekers audience

2515
01:31:42,629 --> 01:31:40,960
members all day long all night long

2516
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,639
which reminds me i have to check in

2517
01:31:45,030 --> 01:31:44,080
because i've been very busy and i

2518
01:31:46,950 --> 01:31:45,040
haven't

2519
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,960
and uh finally

2520
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,360
just one final bit of business

2521
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,360
i'm not blaming anybody

2522
01:31:54,870 --> 01:31:53,040
or anything really i don't want anybody

2523
01:31:57,189 --> 01:31:54,880
to get the wrong opinion but somebody

2524
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:57,199
was in the comments saying hey

2525
01:32:01,270 --> 01:31:59,280
you say you answer emails and i emailed

2526
01:32:03,830 --> 01:32:01,280
you and you didn't email me back but i

2527
01:32:05,750 --> 01:32:03,840
did reply to him about what he emailed

2528
01:32:07,669 --> 01:32:05,760
me in the youtube comments

2529
01:32:09,990 --> 01:32:07,679
so i guess going forward you know if

2530
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:10,000
somebody's gonna have a problem with

2531
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:13,280
the accuracy of what i say i said i i

2532
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:14,320
return

2533
01:32:19,669 --> 01:32:16,800
i message everybody who emails me back

2534
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:19,679
that's what i said what i should say is

2535
01:32:25,189 --> 01:32:22,639
i try to reply to everybody with

2536
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:25,199
questions or you know whatever

2537
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:27,920
but people have to realize that as this

2538
01:32:31,830 --> 01:32:29,440
thing grows

2539
01:32:34,070 --> 01:32:31,840
doing that is no longer a 20-minute

2540
01:32:39,350 --> 01:32:34,080
endeavor every day it could sometimes be

2541
01:32:42,229 --> 01:32:39,360
hours i've gotten 10 emails today and 22

2542
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:42,239
uh youtube comments so while i can't

2543
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,159
always reply to every single person

2544
01:32:47,350 --> 01:32:46,000
anymore i'm gonna try and if you really

2545
01:32:49,510 --> 01:32:47,360
have something important to communicate

2546
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:49,520
to me email it to me a few times remind

2547
01:32:55,030 --> 01:32:53,280
me i'm a human i get busy i forget

2548
01:32:56,950 --> 01:32:55,040
and in that person's case yeah he

2549
01:32:59,270 --> 01:32:56,960
emailed me and then i told him to email

2550
01:33:01,430 --> 01:32:59,280
me again and then i replied to him what

2551
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,440
i thought was sufficient like uh i have

2552
01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:03,360
that case on my list and i have to look

2553
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:05,440
into it more and and as soon as i've

2554
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:07,600
completed my work on that case will do a

2555
01:33:10,229 --> 01:33:09,199
whole show on that case you want me to

2556
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:10,239
cover

2557
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,880
my point is that you know

2558
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:15,600
i please don't hold me to some huge high

2559
01:33:20,470 --> 01:33:18,000
standard and if i say i try to message

2560
01:33:22,629 --> 01:33:20,480
everybody back i mean it i try or you

2561
01:33:25,189 --> 01:33:22,639
know maybe i was incorrect in saying i

2562
01:33:26,709 --> 01:33:25,199
do message everybody back i try i do the

2563
01:33:30,149 --> 01:33:26,719
best i can to communicate with all of

2564
01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:30,159
you most of you know that uh so

2565
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,440
you know going forward i'm going to say

2566
01:33:35,669 --> 01:33:33,360
i do the best that i can to communicate

2567
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:35,679
with everybody remember you can follow

2568
01:33:41,189 --> 01:33:38,560
me at stevencambian on twitter uh that's

2569
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:41,199
a great way to get get a hold of me uh

2570
01:33:45,189 --> 01:33:43,120
mr certified is here and says thanks for

2571
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:45,199
doing what you do steve but yeah my

2572
01:33:50,709 --> 01:33:48,080
pleasure i'm glad to see you here

2573
01:33:54,149 --> 01:33:50,719
i think that's how you would say that mr

2574
01:33:57,270 --> 01:33:54,159
i'm not certified mr c3

2575
01:33:59,430 --> 01:33:57,280
to find 3d mr certified 3d tell me how

2576
01:34:02,390 --> 01:33:59,440
to say it i don't know some people would

2577
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:02,400
it's a cool uh user id but it's sure

2578
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:07,430
yeah

2579
01:34:13,030 --> 01:34:11,280
got here no and listen i'm not i'm not

2580
01:34:15,990 --> 01:34:13,040
upset with what that person said they're

2581
01:34:18,229 --> 01:34:16,000
prop they're accurate i said i i return

2582
01:34:19,750 --> 01:34:18,239
all the emails and sometimes i don't but

2583
01:34:21,669 --> 01:34:19,760
i still try to communicate with him and

2584
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:21,679
i thought that was sufficient so you

2585
01:34:25,430 --> 01:34:23,840
know it is what it is this is just stuff

2586
01:34:26,870 --> 01:34:25,440
that happens and i'm trying to address

2587
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:26,880
it and be i'm always honest with my

2588
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:28,719
audience and i'm trying to be in this

2589
01:34:30,629 --> 01:34:29,760
case

2590
01:34:35,270 --> 01:34:30,639
so

2591
01:34:39,030 --> 01:34:35,280
that uh helped us

2592
01:34:41,109 --> 01:34:39,040
today to praise the cash right uh that's

2593
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:41,119
a good way to help us is to send some

2594
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,719
money our way

2595
01:34:45,750 --> 01:34:44,159
and when i started this show knowing

2596
01:34:47,830 --> 01:34:45,760
that i was gonna have to be constantly

2597
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:47,840
asking people for money i didn't really

2598
01:34:51,669 --> 01:34:49,840
know how to do it so what i decided to

2599
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:51,679
do is go to the experts do you know

2600
01:34:56,109 --> 01:34:54,000
who's experts at asking people and

2601
01:34:58,390 --> 01:34:56,119
getting people to send money in

2602
01:35:00,870 --> 01:34:58,400
televangelists they're the best at it

2603
01:35:03,189 --> 01:35:00,880
nobody is better than those guys

2604
01:35:05,270 --> 01:35:03,199
at somehow motivating people to part

2605
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:05,280
with their hard-earned money and give it

2606
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:06,560
to them

2607
01:35:11,430 --> 01:35:09,520
so i am going to just lean on those guys

2608
01:35:13,590 --> 01:35:11,440
as i say first of all thanks to all the

2609
01:35:15,430 --> 01:35:13,600
super chat donators and donators in

2610
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:15,440
general and to the patreon supporters

2611
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:17,920
and to the paypal donators thank you for

2612
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:20,239
your kindness your generosity and your

2613
01:35:27,450 --> 01:35:22,560
support and for helping us to praise the

2614
01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:41,109
[Music]

2615
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:42,950
here's what i want you to do if the lord

2616
01:35:46,310 --> 01:35:44,639
is speaking to you

2617
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:46,320
let's just bring some baskets down just

2618
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:49,280
leave them there i'm not finished

2619
01:35:53,189 --> 01:35:51,440
i got one more point to make this is

2620
01:35:54,310 --> 01:35:53,199
what i want you to do thank you miss

2621
01:35:55,830 --> 01:35:54,320
marguerite

2622
01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:55,840
i brought her because i want you to

2623
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:57,840
understand that the work

2624
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:59,280
must continue

2625
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:01,199
this is not a plea for money it's a plea

2626
01:36:04,930 --> 01:36:03,600
for partnership so that we can be what

2627
01:36:06,630 --> 01:36:04,940
we're supposed to be

2628
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:06,640
[Music]

2629
01:36:10,030 --> 01:36:08,880
[Applause]

2630
01:36:12,149 --> 01:36:10,040
i just need

2631
01:36:14,310 --> 01:36:12,159
497 people

2632
01:36:15,430 --> 01:36:14,320
to say

2633
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:15,440
i'll do it

2634
01:36:21,090 --> 01:36:31,109
[Music]

2635
01:36:35,189 --> 01:36:32,950
i like being able to help others i like

2636
01:36:37,189 --> 01:36:35,199
being able to fulfill my dreams and you

2637
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:37,199
know it takes money to do what we're

2638
01:36:41,030 --> 01:36:39,280
doing that's you know that's why god

2639
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:41,040
gives you influence to help the world to

2640
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:42,880
make make it a better place we don't ask

2641
01:36:46,310 --> 01:36:44,320
for money and people send in millions of

2642
01:36:47,910 --> 01:36:46,320
dollars to help us keep the broadcast on

2643
01:36:50,070 --> 01:36:47,920
the air i don't think there's anything

2644
01:36:50,709 --> 01:36:50,080
wrong with having a nice place to live

2645
01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:50,719
and

2646
01:36:56,629 --> 01:36:54,400
the focus of your life if that's all

2647
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,639
you're doing that's shallow you should

2648
01:37:01,700 --> 01:36:58,639
you know it should be to be a blessing

2649
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:01,710
to others

2650
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,830
thank you for your kindness thank you

2651
01:37:20,620 --> 01:37:15,840
for your generosity

2652
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:25,030
[Music]

2653
01:37:29,030 --> 01:37:26,790
i believe that you will agree with me

2654
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:29,040
when i say that in the last

2655
01:37:32,470 --> 01:37:30,400
few months

2656
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:32,480
that and especially the last few weeks

2657
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:34,560
that the anointing of the holy spirit on

2658
01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:36,800
the telecast has been

2659
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,320
exceptional

2660
01:37:42,070 --> 01:37:40,159
the letters that we are receiving the

2661
01:37:44,390 --> 01:37:42,080
comments that you're giving us but above

2662
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:44,400
all it's just there and we thank the

2663
01:37:48,229 --> 01:37:46,639
lord so much for it because it is the

2664
01:37:50,390 --> 01:37:48,239
anointing

2665
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:50,400
that breaks the earth it breaks that

2666
01:37:56,390 --> 01:37:53,679
yokosuna whatever the yoke may be

2667
01:37:59,270 --> 01:37:56,400
i want to thank you also for the help

2668
01:38:01,350 --> 01:37:59,280
that you gave us last week concerning

2669
01:38:02,390 --> 01:38:01,360
the appeals that we made how we are

2670
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,400
rejoicing

2671
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:05,040
i wish i could give you a total now i

2672
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,400
can't i just can't i don't have it yet

2673
01:38:14,550 --> 01:38:11,280
but i'm asking you please god spoke with

2674
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:14,560
a lot of you that did not respond

2675
01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:15,440
and

2676
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:21,119
god speaks to you i know he'll bless you

2677
01:38:24,870 --> 01:38:22,800
if you will respond and if you could

2678
01:38:36,709 --> 01:38:24,880
send a gift of fifty dollars

2679
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:38,470
somebody's mentioning

2680
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:40,400
that swagger got busted with a gay

2681
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:43,840
prostitute yes i believe that he did i

2682
01:38:49,189 --> 01:38:45,280
believe that he did

2683
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,199
um and it's interesting there was some

2684
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:52,080
anti-gay politician who also got busted

2685
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,310
pragmatic says can't be an off-screen

2686
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:02,719
shooting a dollar gun his kid is amazing

2687
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:04,400
yeah i tried to get him to shoot the gun

2688
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:05,840
but he was having problems pulling the

2689
01:39:09,350 --> 01:39:08,159
trigger prank magic i still have the gun

2690
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:09,360
i still have the money gun and we're

2691
01:39:13,990 --> 01:39:12,800
making new money bumpers right and uh

2692
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:14,000
yeah

2693
01:39:19,430 --> 01:39:16,800
xavier has decided that he wants a

2694
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,440
nintendo switch which is a big ask for

2695
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,040
him and he doesn't ask for expensive

2696
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:23,520
things very often so my wife and i are

2697
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:25,679
going to try to make that happen but you

2698
01:39:32,950 --> 01:39:30,709
those things are expensive uh

2699
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:32,960
this one light has a moon here right

2700
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:36,080
like it's out of place

2701
01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:38,000
yeah and i want to thank all the super

2702
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:41,679
chat donators the patreon people and um

2703
01:39:46,149 --> 01:39:42,719
uh

2704
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:46,159
the paypal donators the super chatters

2705
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:48,560
and the patreon supporters because uh

2706
01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,280
we've got a whole new set here

2707
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:54,239
uh and multiple camera angles now as

2708
01:39:57,590 --> 01:39:55,119
well

2709
01:39:59,990 --> 01:39:57,600
um and we were able to do that thanks to

2710
01:40:02,629 --> 01:40:00,000
the kindness

2711
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,639
generosity and support of the super chat

2712
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:04,000
people um

2713
01:40:08,550 --> 01:40:06,159
oh i can't reach the camera to pan it

2714
01:40:11,590 --> 01:40:08,560
around and this thing shouldn't be here

2715
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:11,600
in my face and we're still working on it

2716
01:40:19,189 --> 01:40:14,639
but uh we have a much bigger set here

2717
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,199
uh bigger set pieces and um more power

2718
01:40:24,709 --> 01:40:21,760
and will soon be upgrading to 1080p

2719
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,719
finally stream yard only lets you do 720

2720
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:25,679
at the

2721
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:29,040
beginning level so we're up updating to

2722
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:31,520
do 1080p and i believe five more

2723
01:40:34,830 --> 01:40:33,440
streaming locations

2724
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:34,840
and uh

2725
01:40:41,270 --> 01:40:38,320
also um i'm gonna announce this here

2726
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:41,280
even though it's not ready yet

2727
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:49,350
we have expanded and are now

2728
01:40:53,510 --> 01:40:51,040
available

2729
01:40:55,430 --> 01:40:53,520
most of the truth seekers

2730
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,440
uh shows

2731
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:57,840
the total truth seeker shows are now

2732
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:00,400
available on odyssey

2733
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:02,960
which is something i'm very

2734
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:04,400
very happy about

2735
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:05,440
because

2736
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,560
first of all

2737
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:08,960
uh i do have backups but the backup that

2738
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,719
i have of all of the truth seekers

2739
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:12,719
content is a bit old already it's a few

2740
01:41:18,070 --> 01:41:15,040
months old and ask anybody who's

2741
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,080
streaming uh five times a week or seven

2742
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,639
times a week some weeks i don't know

2743
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:22,239
it's very difficult to keep up with the

2744
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:23,520
backups

2745
01:41:26,310 --> 01:41:24,719
so

2746
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:26,320
uh and i highly recommend this to

2747
01:41:30,310 --> 01:41:27,920
anybody who has a show

2748
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,320
there is a new video site well

2749
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,280
relatively new called odyssey and uh

2750
01:41:36,550 --> 01:41:35,600
we've become partners with them

2751
01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:36,560
um

2752
01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:39,600
tree seekers is now available on odyssey

2753
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,320
and one of the great things is if you uh

2754
01:41:46,149 --> 01:41:43,760
sign up for odyssey and you have a

2755
01:41:47,830 --> 01:41:46,159
youtube channel with good content on it

2756
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:47,840
they will take all of your youtube

2757
01:41:53,109 --> 01:41:50,560
content and pull it into odyssey it's

2758
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:53,119
just a few clicks and they do it now

2759
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:55,600
unfortunately this is not a

2760
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:56,639
um

2761
01:42:02,790 --> 01:42:00,159
it is not a flawless process what do i

2762
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,800
mean by that they pulled in all but our

2763
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:04,800
very latest videos and now i have to

2764
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:07,360
start uploading the latest videos to

2765
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:09,040
odyssey every time in other words every

2766
01:42:12,550 --> 01:42:10,960
time we make a new video

2767
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,560
once they were done with the import

2768
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,480
which took a week

2769
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,639
for them to pull all the youtube videos

2770
01:42:20,629 --> 01:42:19,040
and put them up at the exact quality and

2771
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:20,639
they even copy all the video

2772
01:42:25,109 --> 01:42:23,119
descriptions everything for you it's a

2773
01:42:26,870 --> 01:42:25,119
great i i believe that odyssey is going

2774
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:26,880
to be a leader

2775
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:30,560
in uh in new platforms new video

2776
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:33,280
platforms so we've got

2777
01:42:39,109 --> 01:42:36,639
the truth seekers uh

2778
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:39,119
yeah and look at that it did it updated

2779
01:42:43,910 --> 01:42:41,040
it's just slow to update

2780
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:43,920
so the odyssey channel may always be a

2781
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:47,040
little bit behind the youtube channel

2782
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:49,440
um in other words you know look we're up

2783
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:52,239
to uh show from last week that it is

2784
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,280
updated

2785
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:55,360
it takes time for odyssey to get to

2786
01:42:59,830 --> 01:42:57,600
youtube download the videos and put them

2787
01:43:02,870 --> 01:42:59,840
up but what we see here

2788
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,880
is that the entire virtually the entire

2789
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:04,480
truth seekers

2790
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:05,679
entire

2791
01:43:09,109 --> 01:43:08,080
history and catalog since the very first

2792
01:43:11,990 --> 01:43:09,119
show

2793
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,000
is now almost completely available

2794
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:13,920
they're a week behind

2795
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:16,639
but still i think this is very important

2796
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,760
for several reasons first of all

2797
01:43:23,350 --> 01:43:20,800
should

2798
01:43:25,669 --> 01:43:23,360
some member yeah see this more than a

2799
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,679
year ago was the first episode of truth

2800
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:27,040
seekers here

2801
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:28,880
uh with jason quit

2802
01:43:33,669 --> 01:43:32,239
more than a year ago uh and so

2803
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:33,679
uh

2804
01:43:35,830 --> 01:43:35,040
anyway

2805
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:35,840
the

2806
01:43:48,790 --> 01:43:46,239
history of truth seekers

2807
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,800
um it's all there except for the last

2808
01:43:54,390 --> 01:43:51,600
week or so

2809
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,400
so there we have it the entire almost

2810
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:56,639
the entire history of truth seekers is

2811
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:58,000
now backed up

2812
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,000
and available on odyssey all but the

2813
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:02,159
last week or so of shows

2814
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:04,560
um and i'm still navigating and learning

2815
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:06,320
this do i have to upload those last week

2816
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,159
or do i just wait it looks like i just

2817
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:10,560
have to wait and and odyssey may be a

2818
01:44:15,669 --> 01:44:13,040
week behind or something like that

2819
01:44:17,830 --> 01:44:15,679
but every show that we do

2820
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:17,840
which is broadcast live on facebook

2821
01:44:21,030 --> 01:44:19,440
twitch and

2822
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:21,040
youtube will now

2823
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:24,560
later be available on odyssey

2824
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:25,600
and

2825
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:28,719
i'm gonna put the odyssey link

2826
01:44:33,109 --> 01:44:31,119
into the live chat here

2827
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,119
so that you can all if you have an

2828
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:34,880
odyssey account you can

2829
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,360
become a follower of truth seekers on

2830
01:44:42,709 --> 01:44:38,560
odyssey

2831
01:44:45,189 --> 01:44:42,719
it's very quick and easy to sign up for

2832
01:44:47,590 --> 01:44:45,199
an odyssey account

2833
01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,600
and i highly recommend that you do that

2834
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,679
and odyssey also has this interesting

2835
01:44:53,830 --> 01:44:51,600
way of paying

2836
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:53,840
uh content creators

2837
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,679
um because they give you some kind of

2838
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:58,080
crypto credits uh but i'm told that the

2839
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,840
crypto credits work out to about a

2840
01:45:03,030 --> 01:45:00,880
dollar

2841
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:03,040
per one you know in other words the

2842
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:05,040
there's some exchange rate maybe it's 80

2843
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:07,119
cents sometimes maybe it's a dollar ten

2844
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:08,880
other times but

2845
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:11,119
one of their crypto credits is equal to

2846
01:45:14,629 --> 01:45:12,560
about a dollar

2847
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:14,639
and we can see in a very short time i'm

2848
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,480
already up to 23. on odyssey so i want

2849
01:45:22,310 --> 01:45:20,239
to thank people who are

2850
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:22,320
uh on odyssey you send credits to

2851
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:23,920
content creators that you like and i'm

2852
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:26,400
not sure who or why but we're already up

2853
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:27,280
to

2854
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:28,159
um

2855
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:31,840
we're already up to odyssey uh

2856
01:45:36,149 --> 01:45:34,239
we're already up to 23.

2857
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:36,159
uh which is great and they give daily

2858
01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:38,880
rewards and other things

2859
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:40,880
but my main interest in signing up for

2860
01:45:43,350 --> 01:45:42,560
odyssey really is

2861
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:43,360
that

2862
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:45,199
should some

2863
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,560
listen it's very

2864
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:48,480
youtube can be a very dangerous place

2865
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:50,639
lately i could have a guest on that

2866
01:45:55,350 --> 01:45:53,040
could say the letter of the alphabet and

2867
01:45:57,350 --> 01:45:55,360
my entire channel could be deleted i

2868
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:57,360
could have a guest on even though i

2869
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:58,800
inform guests we don't talk about the

2870
01:46:01,189 --> 01:46:00,400
current health crisis

2871
01:46:02,870 --> 01:46:01,199
or

2872
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,880
any of that stuff could start talking

2873
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:04,880
about that youtube doesn't like it they

2874
01:46:09,669 --> 01:46:06,719
could stamp out

2875
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,679
my entire channel could just be deleted

2876
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,280
um it's very

2877
01:46:14,709 --> 01:46:12,480
scary

2878
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,719
for a content creator especially one

2879
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:16,880
that's a little lazy about backups

2880
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,600
uh but now we see thanks to odyssey in

2881
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:22,000
order to thank them um

2882
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:24,080
my experience so far with this platform

2883
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:26,560
has been amazing i signed up a few

2884
01:46:31,669 --> 01:46:29,280
clicks later they're importing every

2885
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,679
video i've ever made on youtube a year's

2886
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:34,480
worth and it was done in about a week

2887
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:38,310
not sure

2888
01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:45,030
part of me

2889
01:46:47,750 --> 01:46:46,239
almost made it

2890
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:47,760
through today

2891
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:56,390
so the good news is

2892
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:57,600
that

2893
01:47:01,669 --> 01:47:00,320
should anything terrible happen with

2894
01:47:02,629 --> 01:47:01,679
youtube

2895
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,639
um

2896
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:04,560
in other words if if i get strikes if

2897
01:47:08,470 --> 01:47:06,320
the channel gets deleted

2898
01:47:11,350 --> 01:47:08,480
um whatever

2899
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,360
i'm not going to worry so much anymore

2900
01:47:17,590 --> 01:47:13,920
because now uh

2901
01:47:20,390 --> 01:47:17,600
there is a backup there is a backup plan

2902
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:20,400
in place there is a backup video

2903
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:23,600
platform in place for truth seekers

2904
01:47:26,149 --> 01:47:24,639
right now

2905
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,159
uh you know

2906
01:47:30,229 --> 01:47:28,719
now i don't anticipate problems with our

2907
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:30,239
youtube channel because we're being very

2908
01:47:33,430 --> 01:47:31,280
careful

2909
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:33,440
i'm even coming up with a handout to

2910
01:47:36,550 --> 01:47:34,719
give to guests

2911
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:36,560
saying please don't talk about this

2912
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,480
please don't talk about that

2913
01:47:44,229 --> 01:47:40,400
um because

2914
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,709
it's just not worth the hassles to talk

2915
01:47:51,669 --> 01:47:48,719
about the few subjects

2916
01:47:54,629 --> 01:47:51,679
that the platform has decided it would

2917
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:54,639
prefer people not speak about right

2918
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:56,960
there's just some subjects that you

2919
01:48:00,629 --> 01:47:58,800
don't want to talk about

2920
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:00,639
uh on

2921
01:48:06,070 --> 01:48:03,360
on some platforms and we're a guest here

2922
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:06,080
so i have to um

2923
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:07,679
i have to respect

2924
01:48:12,149 --> 01:48:09,679
the platform's wishes it's not my

2925
01:48:14,390 --> 01:48:12,159
platform i'm a guest here

2926
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:14,400
um but we've got truth seekers on

2927
01:48:17,350 --> 01:48:16,080
odyssey now

2928
01:48:20,229 --> 01:48:17,360
um

2929
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:20,239
yeah and i want to thank area 503 for uh

2930
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:21,920
informing us about that and getting me

2931
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,480
to sign up and pro i think he sent me a

2932
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:26,800
few credits as well so thanks to area

2933
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:29,119
503 check out his youtube channel he's

2934
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,159
also

2935
01:48:34,950 --> 01:48:32,320
mirroring all this content on odyssey

2936
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:34,960
which i think is a very good

2937
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:36,239
um

2938
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:38,320
is a very good thing to do uap

2939
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:39,760
collective is here

2940
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:42,800
speaking my language juno 60 juno 2

2941
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:45,199
jupiter 6 jupiter 8 jupiter 4 memory

2942
01:48:56,070 --> 01:48:50,239
mode pro 1 yamaha cs30 korg ms20 tb 303

2943
01:48:57,030 --> 01:48:56,080
i have a tb 303 tr 909 tr808 cr78

2944
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,040
yeah

2945
01:49:01,270 --> 01:49:00,159
i've got an old quark poly 800 i've got

2946
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:01,280
uh

2947
01:49:06,470 --> 01:49:02,719
oh

2948
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:06,480
you know uh yamaha dx70 i've got a lot

2949
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:09,040
of weird old synths and i love them uap

2950
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:11,760
collective nice to see you here

2951
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,040
i'm trying to get a uh build a recording

2952
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,280
studio back up again i used to have a

2953
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:19,199
big commercial studio with plenty of

2954
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:21,360
room and now you know

2955
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:23,280
things are a little tight as far as room

2956
01:49:27,750 --> 01:49:25,679
goes here but we still managed to

2957
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:27,760
produce at least a few songs a month and

2958
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,560
those go on patreon um so i'm going to

2959
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:32,400
play us out actually with one of my new

2960
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:33,360
songs

2961
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:35,920
uh it's called the war is one and it's

2962
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:37,440
from uh

2963
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,760
my new album that god knows when i'm

2964
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,679
going to finish it i need to complete a

2965
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:43,199
few more songs

2966
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,920
um but i'm working very hard on actually

2967
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,520
completing it now

2968
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,679
and if you're a patreon supporter for as

2969
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,440
low as a dollar a month you get the

2970
01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:53,760
album for free or you've been getting it

2971
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,960
i think we're up to 16 or 17 songs

2972
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:59,119
of the album which will be 20 songs in

2973
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:00,080
length

2974
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,199
is already on patreon now

2975
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,760
those are the first mixes so

2976
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:07,520
the

2977
01:50:13,109 --> 01:50:11,040
more songs

2978
01:50:16,709 --> 01:50:13,119
and those will be on patreon and then

2979
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:16,719
i'm going to remix the entire album more

2980
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:19,920
properly but that will be on patreon

2981
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:22,480
the whole new mix of the 20 song total

2982
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,400
album will be on patreon so it'll be

2983
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,040
free for all you patreon supporters but

2984
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,080
we will be selling it when it's finished

2985
01:50:33,109 --> 01:50:31,440
and i believe we're gonna sell it for

2986
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,119
twenty dollars which includes a digital

2987
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:36,000
download and a physical cd

2988
01:50:39,589 --> 01:50:38,159
when's the last time you bought a cd i'm

2989
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:39,599
going to try to twist your arm and make

2990
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,960
you buy mine

2991
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,880
i just think that people the digital

2992
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:44,639
downloads are fine but people like

2993
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,080
getting that physical thing and i'm

2994
01:50:51,270 --> 01:50:48,400
willing to mail out the cds to everybody

2995
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,280
who purchases this new album of mine

2996
01:50:56,470 --> 01:50:53,360
also worthy of note is that my entire

2997
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,480
life i have hidden behind band names and

2998
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,400
part of that was practical because i had

2999
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,320
some books on the music industry which

3000
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:02,320
taught me that bands sell a lot more

3001
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:05,440
albums than solo artists so i just made

3002
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:07,840
up a band

3003
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:10,159
and uh my first project was just me and

3004
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:11,599
a bunch of synthesizers and drum

3005
01:51:15,669 --> 01:51:13,920
machines and noise makers and you know

3006
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:15,679
distortion boxes

3007
01:51:20,870 --> 01:51:18,080
um but i called it a band

3008
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:20,880
and uh later i would do this uh do do

3009
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,400
that again and

3010
01:51:28,229 --> 01:51:26,000
later i did it again my latest album is

3011
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,239
uh sixth design shared it it's a seven

3012
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,480
hour long concept album and i called

3013
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,480
that band dreams in the dark because i

3014
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,320
felt like the old band which had a lot

3015
01:51:37,270 --> 01:51:35,920
of my old friends who had moved on and

3016
01:51:39,669 --> 01:51:37,280
done other things

3017
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:39,679
weren't around to play on it anymore it

3018
01:51:43,910 --> 01:51:41,920
didn't feel appropriate still calling it

3019
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:43,920
the old band name so we

3020
01:51:47,350 --> 01:51:45,679
came up with dreams in the dark but this

3021
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,360
new album of mine

3022
01:51:52,149 --> 01:51:49,360
um will be the first album that i'm just

3023
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,159
putting my name on i'm not gonna hide

3024
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,480
behind a band name it'll be the first

3025
01:51:59,350 --> 01:51:57,199
true solo album i've ever produced even

3026
01:52:01,990 --> 01:51:59,360
though most of the albums i've ever been

3027
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,000
involved with or produced were largely

3028
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:04,719
solo efforts with others helping

3029
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,520
this new one however i've produced

3030
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:10,400
um 100 on my own except for one song

3031
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,480
which was loaded to me the music for

3032
01:52:16,390 --> 01:52:14,400
which was loaned to me by jason quit

3033
01:52:18,470 --> 01:52:16,400
some of you know jason quit he did all

3034
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,480
the music with synthesizers and drum

3035
01:52:23,270 --> 01:52:21,040
machines etc and and then i sang over it

3036
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:23,280
and added some additional tracks to

3037
01:52:27,109 --> 01:52:25,440
but i still consider this to be a solo

3038
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,119
album because

3039
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:29,199
ask anybody that's a musician go try to

3040
01:52:35,750 --> 01:52:33,360
produce 20 songs by yourself or even 19

3041
01:52:37,430 --> 01:52:35,760
it is a big undertaking

3042
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,440
so what can i say friends i want to

3043
01:52:41,350 --> 01:52:39,440
thank everybody for being here

3044
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:41,360
you always hear me say this always happy

3045
01:52:44,550 --> 01:52:43,040
when there's an audience so glad that

3046
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:44,560
you could come here today and be a part

3047
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:45,840
of mine

3048
01:52:47,589 --> 01:52:46,639
uh

3049
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,599
i

3050
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,199
am

3051
01:52:52,950 --> 01:52:51,040
glad that we could reconnect with stan

3052
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:52,960
gordon he's the first guy that i've ever

3053
01:52:57,669 --> 01:52:55,679
interviewed he's he helped me start my

3054
01:52:59,189 --> 01:52:57,679
show the first show

3055
01:53:01,189 --> 01:52:59,199
and i've always been

3056
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:01,199
uh in his debt for that because a lot of

3057
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:02,560
people wouldn't help me when i started

3058
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:04,320
but he uh

3059
01:53:07,830 --> 01:53:05,520
graciously

3060
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,840
volunteered to do so tonight we got a

3061
01:53:12,390 --> 01:53:09,440
little bit of an update from him hope to

3062
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,400
have him back as a regular guest uh and

3063
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:14,400
i hope you enjoyed it

3064
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:16,159
so i'm gonna play this out with my new

3065
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,719
song it's called the war is one

3066
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:20,400
so until next time friends my name is

3067
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:22,800
stephen campion good night and god bless

3068
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:44,080
uh

3069
01:53:44,090 --> 01:53:49,669
[Applause]

3070
01:53:53,230 --> 01:53:50,740
oh

3071
01:54:09,830 --> 01:53:53,240
[Applause]

3072
01:54:34,870 --> 01:54:09,840
[Music]

3073
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:40,200
now

3074
01:55:03,530 --> 01:54:49,920
[Music]

3075
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:03,540
[Applause]

3076
01:55:34,390 --> 01:55:10,560
[Music]

3077
01:55:41,460 --> 01:55:34,400
[Applause]

3078
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:41,470
[Music]

3079
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:52,810
smiley now

3080
01:55:52,820 --> 01:56:00,550
[Music]

3081
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:09,190
now

3082
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:26,470
[Applause]

3083
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:27,590
foreign